Appeal on SF in last of 9th

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by umpjong

Nope OBR 4-11c

(c) If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored.


The run scores until it is erased by the appeal...(this last line is my statement)

I stand corrected. I don't have my books with me, true in FED as well?

-Josh

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I stand corrected. I don't have my books with me, true in FED as well?

-Josh

Maybe I'm different, but I I'd give the runners the benefit of the doubt and return them to their bases, whether they were tagged or not. I can't reasonably expect the players (especially HS players) to stand on a base after the winning run scored. Once the appeal was upheld, I'd return the vacated runners to their proper base and continue the game with 2 outs.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Maybe I'm different, but I I'd give the runners the benefit of the doubt and return them to their bases, whether they were tagged or not. I can't reasonably expect the players (especially HS players) to stand on a base after the winning run scored. Once the appeal was upheld, I'd return the vacated runners to their proper base and continue the game with 2 outs.

That's because you're reasonable and sportsmanlike.

[jdmara]

How about this situation:

R1 and B3 up to bat with a 3-2 count and 1 out. R1 attempting to steal on the pitch. On a high pitch (ball), B3 check swings and F2 comes out of his crouch position (to throw out R2) which partial blocks the PU view of the swing. F2 instinctively throws it to F4 to putout R2 stealing. The PU did not believe he offered and declares "Ball Four". R1 hears "Ball Four" and slows to a jog. F2's throw beats R1 to the base and was tagged by F4. The BU signals nothing, "Ball four gentlemen".

The defensive coach asks the catcher to appeal the swing, he asks the PU to appeal, and the PU asks the BU. "Did he go?" The BU clearly saw that he went and declares, "Yes, he went!" The batter is declared out by the PU. What do you do with the R1? Lets not get in a pi$$ing match of "this would never happen to me because I would have went to BU right away" or "the BU better agree with my call". Mistakes happen and, as the PU, you thought it wasn't even close (but obviously your view was blocked more than you thought).

(Sorry gentleman, I have to leave for the day. Will continue this later...)

-Josh

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jdmara

How about this situation:

R1 and B3 up to bat with a 3-2 count and 1 out. R1 attempting to steal on the pitch. On a high pitch (ball), B3 check swings and F2 comes out of his crouch position (to throw out R2) which partial blocks the PU view of the swing. F2 instinctively throws it to F4 to putout R2 stealing. The PU did not believe he offered and declares "Ball Four". R1 hears "Ball Four" and slows to a jog. F2's throw beats R1 to the base and was tagged by F4. The BU signals nothing, "Ball four gentlemen".

The defensive coach asks the catcher to appeal the swing, he asks the PU to appeal, and the PU asks the BU. "Did he go?" The BU clearly saw that he went and declares, "Yes, he went!" The batter is declared out by the PU. What do you do with the R1? Lets not get in a pi$$ing match of "this would never happen to me because I would have went to BU right away" or "the BU better agree with my call". Mistakes happen and, as the PU, you thought it wasn't even close (but obviously your view was blocked more than you thought).

(Sorry gentleman, I have to leave for the day. Will continue this later...)

-Josh

Under OBR and NCAA, R1 is out. It's right in the (at least OBR) book.

Under FED, the umpires can decide whether R1 would have been safe or out had the correct call been made right away, and rule accordingly (also, I think, in the book).

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

That's because you're reasonable and sportsmanlike.

I'm hoping that's not a problem.