Theory behind B and C positions

[DG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know if the percentages are right, but the reason I have been taught for a long time to be in the B position most of the time. That being said, our mechanics from our state have us in the B position with a runner on third. If I am not mistaken, that is also what the CCA Books says.

Peace

You are mistaken, CCA has C position for runner on 3b only. It is a better position for a throw from F2 to F5 after a pitch. I had one of these tonight with runner on 2B and 3B and was closer to 3B to make the call because I was in C. On a batted ball the BU can easily move into a better position to make the call at 1B

[Ump153]

In any situation in which the PU will rotate to third, except on R2's tag-up, I am in B. In all other situations, I am in C.

[soundedlikeastrike]

Criticality of the play should dictate which position BU takes, the closer to HP the more critical the play.

R1, B you have both covered, PO and the steal.

R2, C, PO and steal attempt.

R3, C, PO attempt.

R1, R2, C, PO at 2nd more critical than PO at 1B, steal of 3rd more critical than steal of 2nd.
etc. etc.

B with R3, or C with R1 is good for one thing, killing grass.

The guys in Wi, if they think "making smaller sideways profiles is gonne keep em safer, rethink that. The human head is pretty much round, and the eyes are best used for tracking a moving object while "facing it".

[jicecone]

Well, as we can see here , when in Rome do as you like.

Actually depending on the level, usually depends on wether I am in B or C. Usually, in games where da boys shave you rarely see a pickoff at third. HS JV and below it becomes a pain in the butt sometimes but, you will have a closer view. I am always in B with R1 only. Just easier to sell on a close pick.

[cardinalfan]

I've experimented and found that if I stay in C with R1 & R3, the pitcher will try to pick off R1 or there is a banger at first. Nothing happens at R3.

If I decide to go to B with R1 & R3, the catcher snaps a quick throw to third, or the runner steals second on the first pitch with no throw and I go back to C anyway.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Well, as we can see here , when in Rome do as you like.

Actually depending on the level, usually depends on wether I am in B or C. Usually, in games where da boys shave you rarely see a pickoff at third. HS JV and below it becomes a pain in the butt sometimes but, you will have a closer view. I am always in B with R1 only. Just easier to sell on a close pick.

I believe the pickoff at third we are discussing is the catcher trying to pick the runner, not the pitcher.

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Personally, if you're playing percentages with R1...your odds of play at 2B versus a pickoff at 1B are far greater. I love working C with R1 because I feel it gives me a significantly better angle to make a call on a SB attempt at 2B. HOWEVER...I'm very hesitant to sit in C...sometimes if I see that F1 doesn't have a good move to 1B...I will go to C because if somebody's going to be picked at 1B, the 90 yr old grandma in the stands will be able to see that he's out.

Get in the best angle to see the percentage play..esp w/ 2-man...where you already give up lots of angles.

Dude you cant make up your own mechanics.... you in "B" with R1... HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU GONNA SEE A CLOSE PICKOFF @ 1st?.... you aint doing that crap in College.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

Dude you cant make up your own mechanics.... you in "B" with R1... HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU GONNA SEE A CLOSE PICKOFF @ 1st?.... you aint doing that crap in College.

In college ball, U1 is in A with R1. He has a great view.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

In college ball, U1 is in A with R1. He has a great view.

They use two-man for a lot of college ball out here.

[Klokard]

As stated before. Follow CCA and feel comfortable about it. Those guys did an awful lot of study before writing that manual. The fact that they do yearly updates makes me believe that Hiler, Poronto, Yeast, et al... know what they are doing. R3 regardless of outs, BU in "C".

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

In college ball, U1 is in A with R1. He has a great view.

Yes in 3 man, not in 2 man...you might want to look at the CCA again.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

Yes in 3 man, not in 2 man...you might want to look at the CCA again.

I don't need to look at the CCA manual again, thank you, though, for your suggestion.

I replied to a post the intimated college level. My college games are three man. I haven't looked at CCA for two man since, well, since ever. None of my two man games are college level and all are worked with pro mechanics.\

If you are working college games, above JUCO, in two man, you have my sympathy.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

I don't need to look at the CCA manual again, thank you, though, for your suggestion.

I replied to a post the intimated college level. My college games are three man. I haven't looked at CCA for two man since, well, since ever. None of my two man games are college level and all are worked with pro mechanics.\

If you are working college games, above JUCO, in two man, you have my sympathy.

Yeah, around here we work 2 man until you get to D1 schools.

[Tim C]

In the Pacific Northwest 90% of all college games are two man.

Three person crews start at what could be called D2 and the D1 schools always have three man crews.

Regards,

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Ump153

In any situation in which the PU will rotate to third, except on R2's tag-up, I am in B. In all other situations, I am in C.

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