When is a conference charged?

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

1. HC has conference with pitcher, and replaces him. No conference charged.
2. Sometime during the conference he heads to the dugout. By rule, conference is over, correct?
3. He then goes out to talk with infielders. HOW is that not another conference?
4. If he has conferences left, how is it illegal to use one?
5. Your rule does not apply here, if he had no conferences left, then he could not cross the foul line and have another conference. There is nothing in the rules that say he cannot use two or three conferences during one AB if he wants to, as long as the number of conferences used in the game do not add up to more than three.
6. If he goes into the dugout for a reason, say, equipment needed changed, and he goes out to an infielder, and tells the PU why, that's another story.
He had every chance to talk to the infielders while he was on the mound making a pitching change. In the OC he gave that right up when he went past the foul line.

Please show me where this is wrong.

1) We agree here
2) Still agree
3) This is where we disagree. Last time I'm going to explain it:
FED 3-1-2: If a pitcher is replaced while his team is on defense, the substitute pitcher shall pitch to the batter then at bat or any substitute for that batter until such batter is put out or reaches base or until a third out is made. To ensure that the requirements of this article be fulfilled, the umpire will deny any coach-defensive player conference that will violate the rule.

Read it again:

the umpire will deny any coach-defensive player conference that will violate the rule.[/

The coach makes the change, goes back to dugout, decides he wants to come back out. Umpire should say, "No, coach, you can not come back out for a conference until the pitcher has faced a batter or recorded a third out."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

1) We agree here
2) Still agree
3) This is where we disagree. Last time I'm going to explain it:
FED 3-1-2: If a pitcher is replaced while his team is on defense, the substitute pitcher shall pitch to the batter then at bat or any substitute for that batter until such batter is put out or reaches base or until a third out is made. To ensure that the requirements of this article be fulfilled, the umpire will deny any coach-defensive player conference that will violate the rule.

Read it again:

the umpire will deny any coach-defensive player conference that will violate the rule.[/

The coach makes the change, goes back to dugout, decides he wants to come back out. Umpire should say, "No, coach, you can not come back out for a conference until the pitcher has faced a batter or recorded a third out."

The part you seem to be missing is "THE RULE" -- and "THE RULE" is that a pitcher must face one batter (or have the side retired) before he's replaced.

So, we all agree -- if the conference would require the pitcher to be removed, then the conference should not be allowed.

But, if the conference would NOT require the pitcher to be removed, then the conference is allowed.

[TwoBits]

Good luck with the rest of the season.

I'm done here. All out of troll food.

[jkumpire]

The guys talking to you, including me are anything but Trolls. That last post is really discouraging. You are intentionally misreading our posts, then hitting us because you don't like the answer. Man up.

[cc6]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Good luck with the rest of the season.

I'm done here. All out of troll food.

I don't understand what you mean by troll. It looked like people here were having a good discussion, then you made that unnecessary comment.

[dash_riprock]

TwoBits: This is a rare instance where the written rule also sets forth the purpose (spirit) of the rule: "To ensure that the requirements of this article [3-1-2] be fulfilled..." 3-1-2 is in the "Substituting" section, and requires a substitute pitcher to face one batter (unless he is injured or dumped). It has nothing to do with defining or limiting charged conferences. They are covered in 2-10-1 and 3-4.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Good luck with the rest of the season.

I'm done here. All out of troll food.

DG, JK and Bob Jenkins are trolls? In Bizarro World, maybe.

Reasonable and knowlegeable people corrected you. Accept it, learn from it and move on; or take your ball and go home. Your choice.

[TwoBits]

I'll respectfully apologize, guys. In my haste to reply, I neglected to read Mr. Jenkins's response clearly. In re-reading Mr. Jenkins's response, it is clear that I was wrong in my interpretation.

As for the troll comment, I was so sure that I was right that others were disputing me just to be disruptive. Sorry guys, my fault, my mistake. Don't hate me for it.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

I'll respectfully apologize, guys. In my haste to reply, I neglected to read Mr. Jenkins's response clearly. In re-reading Mr. Jenkins's response, it is clear that I was wrong in my interpretation.

As for the troll comment, I was so sure that I was right that others were disputing me just to be disruptive. Sorry guys, my fault, my mistake. Don't hate me for it.

Good man.

Others were on the same track as Bob, but none were as clear.

[TwoBits]

I'm the "rules guy" in my association, the one the other umpires turn to for interpretations. About once a year, I learn something I didn't already know. It may be twice this year as the season is still pretty young!

[SAump]

OP: A game I was at, the defense called time, came out and made a pitching change. No charged conference for changing the pitcher.

"The pitching change was not a conference."
Here is another one.
"1. HC has conference with pitcher, and replaces him. No conference charged."

I am missing something here. I read it several times in this thread posted by several very knowledgable individuals. What am I missing?

New inning, new pitcher, no conference. Same inning, conference w/ pitcher and catcher, pitcher replaced w/a new pitcher, conference with pitcher and catcher, resume game. This pitching change is not a conference?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SAump

"This pitching change is not a conference?

No, it's not.

Spend some time in the rules book instead of searching for rising fastballs.