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YouTube - The Slide of the Century

[BigUmp56]

In HS or HS age level game, I have the runner safe and then ejected. His intent wasn't to just reach the plate safely. He wanted to take someone out.


Tim.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

In HS or HS age level game, I have the runner safe and then ejected. His intent wasn't to just reach the plate safely. He wanted to take someone out.

In HS level, yes. However, these looked like smaller kids, so it's possible he hasn't perfected the fine art of sliding.

[bob jenkins]

Safe in all codes. No ejection. Possibly a discussion with the player and / or coach about sliding.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Safe in all codes. No ejection. Possibly a discussion with the player and / or coach about sliding.

Agreed. This would be a "talk to" situation

[jkumpire]

Geez,

Eject the PU:
Interferes with F2,
Hat on backward,
Takes mask off with wrong hand,
"Flapping wing" safe signal,
Doesn't brush plate, uses foot to clean it.
Looked like Black hat with old style light blue shirt;
and if I looked again I could probably find more nits to pick.
Worst thing, he looks bored out of his mind, like he doesn't want to be there.

[mick]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

In HS or HS age level game, I have the runner safe and then ejected. His intent wasn't to just reach the plate safely. He wanted to take someone out.


Tim.

Happy New year, Tim.

Why would the kid be ejected ?
What did I miss ?
He slid late, though a little late.
Thanks.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

In HS or HS age level game, I have the runner safe and then ejected. His intent wasn't to just reach the plate safely. He wanted to take someone out.


Tim.

I'm sorry, but that kid was just doing a late plate slide. He wasn't trying to take anybody out. If a seasoned player slides that late and makes contact, there's a different situation. But if a seasoned player sticks a straight leg slide a little earlier, and clears the catcher out of the way below the knee, that's good baseball. That's how it's supposed to be taught and executed. But this kid needs sliding lessons like the man said.

[btdt]

I have nothing

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

In HS or HS age level game, I have the runner safe and then ejected. His intent wasn't to just reach the plate safely. He wanted to take someone out.


Tim.

How can you possibly justify an ejection. He slid between the catchers legs and hardly made contact. Looks to me he was trying to avoid contact. I've got nothing.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

How can you possibly justify an ejection. He slid between the catchers legs and hardly made contact. Looks to me he was trying to avoid contact. I've got nothing.

The runner didn't slide at all, and that's the problem. He tried to make a flying jump kick at the play in order to break up the possibility of being tagged. It was only out of luck that the pitcher, not the catcher, wasn't injured on the play. I never once mentioned that I would eject the runner for MC. But for unsportsmanlike conduct, he's done for the day in a game I'm working. I don't understand how you would allow such crap in a game. If you leave this alone, there's bound to be an amount of retaliation coming.


Tim.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

The runner didn't slide at all, and that's the problem. He tried to make a flying jump kick at the play in order to break up the possibility of being tagged. It was only out of luck that the pitcher, not the catcher, wasn't injured on the play. I never once mentioned that I would eject the runner for MC. But for unsportsmanlike conduct, he's done for the day in a game I'm working. I don't understand how you would allow such crap in a game. If you leave this alone, there's bound to be an amount of retaliation coming.


Tim.

I have come around completely.

I think that you touched on an important aspect of a play like that.

The guy does a Ty Cobb on a guy trying to make a play--he goes. Malicious intent is unsportsmanlike whether it yields contact or not.

The closest thing I ever had to a borderline EJ for peace purposes was a R2 whose hard slide into the plate on a single dumped the catcher on top of him--perfectly fine. But as they lay there for a second, R2 gives the catcher a two-arm GTF off me kind of shove (without saying GTF off me). In the split-second before he gave him a second shove, I had decided to warn the guy and leave him in the game. But he gave the catcher a second two-hand shove (harder than the first) and I tossed him on the spot for the very reason that I could not allow the other club to retaliate for my failure to act.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

The runner didn't slide at all, and that's the problem. He tried to make a flying jump kick at the play in order to break up the possibility of being tagged. It was only out of luck that the pitcher, not the catcher, wasn't injured on the play. I never once mentioned that I would eject the runner for MC. But for unsportsmanlike conduct, he's done for the day in a game I'm working. I don't understand how you would allow such crap in a game. If you leave this alone, there's bound to be an amount of retaliation coming.


Tim.

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I've got nothing. Where's the malicious contact? If you eject for intent be ready to eject the head coach as well.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

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I've got nothing. Where's the malicious contact? If you eject for intent be ready to eject the head coach as well.

If you'll look earlier in the thread you'll see that I made mention that I wouldn't eject him for MC. I would eject him for unsportsmanlike conduct. If the manager doesn't like it, he can join the player in the parking lot. If you look closely at the clip and pause it just as the runner is over the plate, you'll see that the only thing that kept the pitcher from getting spiked is the toss from F2 forcing him to lift his glove at the last second. A runner doesn't jump two foot in the air, ten feet from the plate, and try to land on a fielders glove without malicious intent.


Tim.

[umpduck11]

Looks to me like the kid forgot he was playing baseball, not martial arts. I agree with Mr. Jenkins; ejection unwarranted, but a word to the player or coach.
Then I would buy some plate shoes, turn my hat around, and learn to remove my mask with my left hand.