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Old Sat Jan 03, 2009, 05:42pm
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I hear you. Joe's opinion of his own career is so glowing, he was able to shamelessly schmooze his way in on the first ballot, making him the least productive first-ballot Hall of Famer in history.

Morgan's arm was Little League compared to Mazeroski's. It's hard to compare Morgan to complete defensive second basemen like Maz or Sandberg or Alomar or Frank White, because if he fielded a ball going to his right, he couldn't record an out. Sparky Anderson said, "We always preferred to have Davey [Concepcion] take those balls."

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Old Mon Jan 05, 2009, 09:28am
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Maz's D certainly earns him a place in the Hall. I think he had the fastest pivot ever - something like 0.6 seconds from receiving the throw to releasing the ball. And a sure way to get injured was to try and take him out on a DP. It was like sliding into a building.

(From a lifelong Yanks fan who believes the Baseball Hall of Fame is misnamed through exclusion, from it's membership, of the most prolific hitter in the history of the game.)
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Old Mon Jan 05, 2009, 09:44am
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Maz's D certainly earns him a place in the Hall. I think he had the fastest pivot ever - something like 0.6 seconds from receiving the throw to releasing the ball. And a sure way to get injured was to try and take him out on a DP. It was like sliding into a building.

(From a lifelong Yanks fan who believes the Baseball Hall of Fame is misnamed through exclusion, from it's membership, of the most prolific hitter in the history of the game.)
He was a good player but I think he got in for hitting one of the most famous walk off homers ever. Pete Rose a great player but a complete failure as a human being. Hard to come up with one redeeming quality.
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Maz's D certainly earns him a place in the Hall. I think he had the fastest pivot ever - something like 0.6 seconds from receiving the throw to releasing the ball. And a sure way to get injured was to try and take him out on a DP. It was like sliding into a building.

(From a lifelong Yanks fan who believes the Baseball Hall of Fame is misnamed through exclusion, from it's membership, of the most prolific hitter in the history of the game.)
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He was a good player but I think he got in for hitting one of the most famous walk off homers ever. Pete Rose a great player but a complete failure as a human being. Hard to come up with one redeeming quality.
I thought he meant Shoeless Joe Jackson.
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Old Mon Jan 05, 2009, 11:13am
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He was a good player but I think he got in for hitting one of the most famous walk off homers ever. Pete Rose a great player but a complete failure as a human being. Hard to come up with one redeeming quality.
I have talked to many Hall of Fame voters, and that was not the case at all. In fact, he was ignored for the longest time by the writers and eventually got in with a bare veterans committee vote. And it was because he was the best defensive second baseman any of those guys ever saw.
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