Hijacked from Basketball Board... with a baseball twist

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Cub42

SS, I was directing my post to some of the officials without very much experience handling situations, and those who haven't work above HS Level

In some parts of the LA area, some high school environments can be as challenging as most D-III or JC or similar small college settings. Ever heard of nationally-ranked Chatsworth? The left side of their infield got drafted in the first dozen picks two years ago. You do one of their games, with local TV and the LA Times and Daily News and about 500-plus people, and it can get just as challenging as a couple of higher levels. And they're not the only ones.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

. Do you honestly think that if the coach overheard you through paper thin walls making despariging comments about him and his team that he wouldn't make his first phone call to your assignor?

First, being more professional that most Rats, I wouldn't make those comments.

But second, are you suggesting that because a Rat acts like a rat, I'm expected to do likewise? Sorry. I hold myself to a higher standard.

[w_sohl]

the coach suggesting a player should retaliate. What he says about me or my crew, wether I hear it or not, is of no concern to me. In fact it would probably give me a good laugh. I also would not talk badly about a team in a manner that a coach would talk badly of us officials. I may make a comment to my partner(s) but it wouldn't be inappropriate. sorry for the confusion, but it actually sounds like we are on the same page.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

Also, suppose you hear the coach say this to one of his players.

Jimmy the umpires are letting Tommy (the other teams F2) get away with "murder " on plays at the plate.

The next time you are on base I want you to "take out" Tommy

There is no place in HS sports for this kind of nonsense.





Pete Booth

So you would eject a coach before the act actually occured ? J agree there's no place for that type of coaching behavior in high school sports, but I don't believe I could eject the coach for something I overheard, especially since it was not on the field.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

So you would eject a coach before the act actually occured ?

My counter argument

Forget about the locker room meaning you are on the field.

There is play at the plate where-by you call a runner out.

The OM thinks that you blew an OBS call.

As his runner is coming back to the dug-out you hear

"Timmy, since they are not going to call OBS next time take out F2"

Now the act of taking out F2 has not yet occured so you are telling me that we at this point should do nothing?

I see no difference between the 2 situations.

The coach KNOWS that the walls are thin so if he does not want the umpires to hear the conversation there is a way he can do it, however, once we have information IMO we can not just "let it go" at least in the HS and below levels.

PRO ball is altogether different and the point is most likely moot because I do not think the umpire lounge is near the players.

There are many things that we as umpires do before the "act is actually performed"

Pete Booth

[Ump153]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth;563099]

My counter argument

Forget about the locker room meaning you are on the field.

There is play at the plate where-by you call a runner out.

The OM thinks that you blew an OBS call.

As his runner is coming back to the dug-out you hear

"Timmy, since they are not going to call OBS next time take out F2"

Now the act of taking out F2 has not yet occured so you are telling me that we at this point should do nothing?

Yes.

[bob jenkins]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth;563099]

Now the act of taking out F2 has not yet occured so you are telling me that we at this point should do nothing?

There's a whole range of actions between (and beyond) "do nothing" and "immediately eject."

[umpduck11]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth;563099]

My counter argument

Forget about the locker room meaning you are on the field.

There is play at the plate where-by you call a runner out.

The OM thinks that you blew an OBS call.

As his runner is coming back to the dug-out you hear

"Timmy, since they are not going to call OBS next time take out F2"

Now the act of taking out F2 has not yet occured so you are telling me that we at this point should do nothing?

I see no difference between the 2 situations.



There are many things that we as umpires do before the "act is actually performed"

Pete Booth

My answer to your counter-argument : As soon as one of this coach's player DOES take out an opponent, he is ejected for MC, of course, and then I get the coach for the provocation. For all I know, he might cool down, and tell the player, in the dugout, "Forget that; don't try to take him out".

If a coach came to you and said "Pete, we're gonna play without a right fielder today", are you going to eject him immediately, or after his team takes the field defensively, and he refuses to put a player into position ? I would have to guess you're dumping him right then, but I could be wrong.

Chuck