Worthy of Ejection?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Cub42

Anyone who has played the game at the HS level or above knows that directing the F bomb at you is an automatic ejection. The problem is that people like your assignor and other Umpires allow that to happen. You did the right thing, and you showed both teams you won't put up with that kind of behavior.

You'd have empty benches in a hurry in pro ball.

[tballump]

Tell him he needs 2 things. A "tee" so he can put it where he wants it, and a "pacifier" for when he still makes an out.

[tballump]

I believe I read a story once about a batter who asked, "where was that pitch". The umpire said, right down the f---ing middle. The player said f--- you and was ejected. In his defense the player said he had never heard the f word before nor did he know what it meant, and just said it because the umpire did. The ump was fined $25 and the player nothing.

[tballump]

From what I have read, I agree with BBD when you are talking about the pro game and it is just a statement, but a complete scream and any jesture where the whole world can hear and see would be unacceptable there also. However, at the amateur level, this whole scene should be handled even tougher than the pros. I believe there is something about profanity audible to the stands somewhere in both pro and amateur.

If you let this guy say it loud enough for all the world to hear, then you have to let all the other players that night say it at least once for all the world to hear. Then every umpire after you has to hear and suffer the repercussions of this the next night because the players will say you did not act on that outburst, so why should the following crews handle it any differently.

This is much like a batter drawing a line, how you handle it, and what it means for the rest of the night. It also has repercussions for umpires that follow you in that league, when you let some sportsmanship issue arise and either act or do not act on it.

One other point. A league is only as good as how the person in charge "backs" the umpires in that league.

NOTE: In many areas the assignors (many but not all) have 40-50 or more schools (high school and middle school and other leagues) where they are paid $100 or more for every sport and team they assign (JV&Varsity boys and girls football, basketball, volleyball, soccer, baseball, wrestling, field hockey etc. etc.). This can work out to a nice 5-6 figure salary.

So, this leads me to "wonder" where they stand when it comes to backing umpire/official vs. team/league/school/coach on sportsmanship/contentious issues such as ejections. The above does not mean "all" assignors, or maybe it does not mean "any" assignors at all and I apologize if I have questioned any assignors integrity (yeah, I'll hear about it) , but I think it is food for thought and maybe that's all it is, food for thought.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by bossman72

bobby, would your opinion of the situation change if it was a scholastic (18yo) game?

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

"That fing pitch was inside"

The "f word" here is simply an adjective used to describe the pitch and is not ejectable on it's own, unless you are in a non-swearing league. Color me a jerk if you will, but, if I were the assignor and that is the story you gave me, I would agree that the EJ was not a good one.

I believe I already answered that.

[Emperor Ump]

In the OP I probably wouldn't have pulled the trigger. Everybody saw him swing and can see who's being the jerk. If he'd carried it too much further by continuing to rant he'd be gone.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by tballump

I believe I read a story once about a batter who asked, "where was that pitch". The umpire said, right down the f---ing middle. The player said f--- you and was ejected. In his defense the player said he had never heard the f word before nor did he know what it meant, and just said it because the umpire did. The ump was fined $25 and the player nothing.

Sounds like bullsh!t to me.

[DG]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Sounds like bullsh!t to me.

Yep. The number of adult males who have never heard F--- would be extremely small. The number of adult males playing baseball who have never heard F--- would be microscopic in number.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by DG

Yep. The number of adult males who have never heard F--- would be extremely small. The number of adult males playing baseball who have never heard F--- would be microscopic in number.

Not to mention (and to be overly analytical,) the umpire in this story used the word in its gerund form as an adjective. It wouldn't be intuitive to convert the adjectival form to an infinitive used as an epithet.

[griff901c]

Originally Posted by Matt

Not to mention (and to be overly analytical,) the umpire in this story used the word in its gerund form as an adjective. It wouldn't be intuitive to convert the adjectival form to an infinitive used as an epithet.

Huh?..... Makes my f$%#)*G head hurt........



griff

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

You'd have empty benches in a hurry in pro ball.

I'll remember than if and when I work pro ball. Thanks.

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

You'd have empty benches in a hurry in pro ball.

In college as well...

[DG]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

In college as well...

Not around here. Saw a game his year where batter said something to plate ump after a called strike 3. Don't know what he said because it was not loud enough to be heard. He was tossed and he left quietly. The HC came running down the line to give PU his 2 cents worth and after a brief argument he was tossed.

No one else was tossed that day and no one else argued balls and strikes with the PU.