Does the run count?

[RPatrino]

I think the confusion may center around what we consider a 'protest'. To me, that is a formal process where a team asks to have a missapplication of a rule reversed. Some may think that a coach who comes out to discuss a call is 'protesting' , but not in the formal sense.

Now, the thought that someone could protest 'anything they want' really depends on the body that is accepting and ruling on the 'protest'. When I worked in LL, a game I worked was 'protested' because the house rules stated that no inning shall start after 7pm. The visiting team manager protested that I started the bottom of the 6th inning after 7 PM. The protest was upheld, because "I did not accurately determine what the correct time was" (per BOD, I should have checked with both managers to determine the 'correct' time). So the bottom of the 6th was wiped off the books, and the game stood as a tie.

This was one of my last LL games I worked for this particular league.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

When I worked in LL, a game I worked was 'protested' because the house rules stated that no inning shall start after 7pm. The visiting team manager protested that I started the bottom of the 6th inning after 7 PM. The protest was upheld,

Huh? An Inning includes both the top and the botom of the inning. So, unles you started the TOP of the inning after 7:00, the protest should have been disallowed. (Unless, of course, the local rule was "no half-inning shall start...")

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Huh? An Inning includes both the top and the botom of the inning. So, unles you started the TOP of the inning after 7:00, the protest should have been disallowed. (Unless, of course, the local rule was "no half-inning shall start...")

Perhaps that is why that was one of his last games with that league. I wouldn't put up with such shenanagins either.

Whenever I worked a "no new inning after..." league, I checked my own timepiece in my pocket or that of the official scorekeeper, and if it was close to stopping time I would announce the time so there was no questioning the legality of continuation.

I would never consider consulting with any coaches or managers to determine the correct time. That would be like asking each manager whether the runner was safe or out .

[RPatrino]

The point of my post was to agree with the argument that 'they can protest anything they want'. In this case the protest committee decided to hear the protest and rule on it. In MOST cases, those protests are never even accepted. The actual situation that precipitated the protest was not important.

When I was training new umpires my advice to them was to never argue with a coach if they wanted to play the game "under protest", just note it in the book and play on. We don't rule on the validity of protest, and if the protest "committee" wants to hear it, thats their business.

[canadaump6]

If you allow a rat to protest a judgment call, the rat for the other team could file a counter-protest for violating the rule that you can only protest a rules violation.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

If you allow a rat to protest a judgment call, the rat for the other team could file a counter-protest for violating the rule that you can only protest a rules violation.

And we then refer both protests to the proper league officials to be ruled upon. Like RPatrino said, they have a right to ask for a protest, and the league has the right to tell them to take their protest and jump in the lake.

[UmpJM]

It would seem that RPatrino understands why protests exist.

JM

[griff901c]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

If you allow a rat to protest a judgment call, the rat for the other team could file a counter-protest for violating the rule that you can only protest a rules violation.

I want to protest...no..double dog protest..this protest

griff

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. I don't care about protests. Let us get back on point. DOES THE RUN COUNT?

MTD, Sr.

[TussAgee11]

Down here in NC for USSSA, all games are under 2 hour time limit (no inning after 2:00).

At the plate conference, I show them both me starting the stop watch, and tell them that is the official one.

Of course, they both look at their watches and think THAT is the official one.

So, when it comes down to seconds either way, at the end of an inning, I will pull it out and STOP it, whether it is over or under, and so when they start *****ing that their watch says one thing, I have my stop watch in hand with the time that that inning ended in order to prove to them (and squash any following protest), either the game is over or there was time left on the clock.