Let their mistakes work for you

[canadaump6]

Tee,

I think the original poster's point was that we should try and learn from the mistakes we see televised umpires make, so that we don't make these mistakes ourselves. It's a good idea, but a lot of the mistakes these guys make are mechanical, and most of us already know the correct mechanic.

Out of curiousity Tee, how good are you (strikezone, game management, judgment calls, mechanics, rules knowledge, etc)?

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Out of curiousity Tee, how good are you (strikezone, game management, judgment calls, mechanics, rules knowledge, etc)?

Enough better than you to where you should take his advice and thank him every time he gives it to you.

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Enough better than you to where you should take his advice and thank him every time he gives it to you.

Way to make things confrontational.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Way to make things confrontational.

He didn't make things confrontational. You asked a question, he answered it (and gave an answer to which I agree).

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Way to make things confrontational.

If it makes you feel better, I gladly take his advice too...

[justanotherblue]

We all make mistakes, we all miss pitches, we all boot a call from time to time. Were human. With time, experience (innings) and training we do this less and less. Unfortunately for those that work at a high enough level that there are t.v. cameras catching every move, when they do make a mistake, it's there for all to see. Personally, it makes me feel good to see the best of the best make a mistake once in a while, it shows there's hope for all of us yet.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

We all make mistakes, we all miss pitches, we all boot a call from time to time. Were human. With time, experience (innings) and training we do this less and less. Unfortunately for those that work at a high enough level that there are t.v. cameras catching every move, when they do make a mistake, it's there for all to see. Personally, it makes me feel good to see the best of the best make a mistake once in a while, it shows there's hope for all of us yet.

agreed

[RPatrino]

Canada, I've been around a bit longer then you have, and I still listen intently to what Tee has to say in this forum. I also listen to what you say as well, because I believe everyone has something to offer.

I'm surprised that you would question Tee's qualifications as an umpire, as I am sure you have seen his numerous posts and responses. Did you ask that question to provoke him? Pray tell, not.

[L.A. Umpire Guy]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Enough better than you to where you should take his advice and thank him every time he gives it to you.

Not when it is delivered in the egocentric, imperious and unprofessional manner in which he often delivers it. He excludes people in order to feel or appear more prominent.

Well, this noble and honorable vocation needs new members. And new members are more likely to appear and be willing to endure the sacrifice and devotion if they are welcomed and not demeaned and shunned. This Tim C. guy is just as glaring a symbol of what is wrong with umpiring as he is a shining example of what is right.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by L.A. Umpire Guy

Not when it is delivered in the egocentric, imperious and unprofessional manner in which he often delivers it. He excludes people in order to feel or appear more prominent.

Well, this noble and honorable vocation needs new members. And new members are more likely to appear and be willing to endure the sacrifice and devotion if they are welcomed and not demeaned and shunned. This Tim C. guy is just as glaring a symbol of what is wrong with umpiring as he is a shining example of what is right.

Well, you may as well add me to that list too, then! Nothing is egotistical or offensive unless it is accepted that way. But then, in today's "Oooo, please don't hurt my feelings" society of today, I just don't know anymore!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Well, you may as well add me to that list too, then!

Don't worry Ozzy, you are already on that list!

[johnnyg08]

Nothing is egotistical or offensive unless it is accepted that way.


You don't really believe that do you?

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Nothing is egotistical or offensive unless it is accepted that way.


You don't really believe that do you?

Absolutely, but unless you are above the age of 50, you wouldn't understand. Those of us raised before the "Me" era learned how to do this because we were direct products of those that lived through a depression. Not many people today could survive that, now could they?

[johnnyg08]

Everybody was in the same boat during the depression...everybody was poor...you lived through it because you didn't know any other way...doesn't mean you aren't tough as nails by any means...but saying whatever you want to people, then saying well, "I can't help it if you're offended, I say what I want, how you interpret it is your problem"...has nothing to do with the "me" generation...if you're a prick, you're a prick...no matter how old you are...(and I don't know you sir, but in our discussions on here, you seem to be a pretty decent guy)...but I disagree with you when you say that it's all in how somebody chooses to interpret something...you can't totally absolve yourself or anybody else of what you say...simply because you didn't intend for it to offend somebody...certainly we can't and will never please everybody...but people your age also probably know about respecting your elders and my grandparents taught me that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all...that's coming from a WWII vet, depression surviving, tax paying, father of 8, grandfather of many more,...so I guess if he's off base...then I'm okay with being off base.

[griff901c]

A LONG time ago I made the leap from kiddie ball to the hs level. AT my first assignment this old crusty guy from the association was sent to watch. I spotted him around the 3rd inning and i proceeded to show him my chops.

I had a great game...smooth pivot onto the infield...lots of hustle..etc.
After the game my partner introduces him to me, and I can hardly wait to ask......"did you see anything I need to work on? Got any advise?'

" I'm glad you asked"...." best advise I can give you is have a garage sale and sell your gear". " Nice to meet ya" and walks away.

Now I don't know whether to smile...or kick his old ***. So I go home thinking wtf is this? What makes this guy think he is so good? I'm younger...quicker... and a lot better looking for sure...wtf?

I have done tons of games before this...again wtf? So I go see him work..and the little, intangible thing start to rise and I see I've got a long way to go. So I watch, I listen, I ask questions...and get smart *** answers..but I don't get butt-sore...I listen.I don't say" well I was taught to do".......I knew I was being taught....

If you check my past posts you will see I don't list my "credentials" as to say look at me, I've done...blah-blah. But this time I will say...fastforward.3-4 yrs........This old guy picks me to work ( my first) NCS 3aFinal at the Oakland Coliseum. I am so stoked.......so I ask him..."why did you bust my balls way back when?'

He says," I just wanted to see if you got your feelings hurt and to see if you could learn" " I don't suffer fools and you might have been one!" That was almost 13 yrs ago. I work NCS every year,been out of state a couple times...big deal.The point is I love my work. I want to be one of the best..so I learn.

As stated in another thread, I would jump at the chance to work with Tee..JRutledge..Pete Booth..because...I know I could learn SOMETHING...we all can learn something. These men don't suffer fools. They will teach..but you must learn. These are no nonsense umpires, who make the right call, whether it's popular or not.As it should be.

There are alot of posts along the line of " I got in trouble because I called...insert sitch...and they didn't like it" So what? If your working with me and you don't call it...first time not a big problem at all....second time we have a big problem.There will be no third time because I won't work with a guy who won't work at his craft. One who decides he wants everyone on the yard to like him.

On my yard I get along with most people...but I have only one friend out there.My partner. He might not be my best friend...but my friend he is.

While I'm on the topic of friends. I like to think that RPatrino is my friend. We haven't worked together in a long time, but I would in a heartbeat.

Now Bob...tell the truth...remember the first time we worked together and you asked.." Got any tips"..and I said " Yes I do..have a garage sale and....."

griff