Player switch to other team...

[RPatrino]

Tuss, I'd be inclined to dump the entire offending team, most of their specatators and any league officials in attendance. They obviously were co-conspirators in this subtrefuge of deceit.

ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, you could ignore it and let the players have fun.

[DG]

If one team wants to loan another a player so they can play, and coaches agree, then fine with me. I get no pleasure from getting paid to prevent teams from playing. It usually means a non-starter for one team gets to play an entire game for another, with both team's appreciation for him making this "sacrifice" so they can play.

[TussAgee11]

DG -

My concern is with our association rules on this sort of thing happening... it is not that I get pleasure out of getting paid to not umpire.

There are very strict rules about this sort of thing for liability purposes. Unfortunately that is the world we live in today.

[BigUmp56]

Why in the world would you, as an official, assume any additional liability for allowing this. It's really not your business who is rostered on a team. The liability insurance provider for Babe Ruth insures the players for both practice and games played within their organization. They have no restriction or control over which players play on a particular team.


Tim.

[soundedlikeastrike]

I have to agree, it's not your business.

You may very well a had 17 other, non-rostered players, which you failed to include in your suspicions. Better hope the player you ridiculed, singled out and probably traumatized for life (umpaphobia) wasn't in one of the many protected groups out there, car, house, jet skies, gone....you practically publicly slandered every coach there. Trip to Mex. uh uh..maybe your lawyer.

Line up fella's, cup check.. Do you know the manufacturers torque specifications for the screws mounting a mask..are you ensuring they are correct? What if that mound is 11", that sprinkler head is kinda precarious out there in LC, there's an awful lota rocks on this infield..

"To a reasonable man",, and other court-enese would probably cover ya.

Coaches, are we gonna get enough?
Yep, but we need the grace period..
Okay the clock is ticking.
Coaches, do we have a game, are your players properly equipped and ready to go, what ever else you blah, blah about..
Yep.
Take the field..

In court, tell it like it is, your honor on this date at XX @ XY I was dspatched to XX to call a game, I did that.
I asked coaches for official line ups at game time, they gave em to me, we commenced.

We are not league administrators, IMO. If you're that worried, note your suspicions in the official scorebook, spit handshake with your pard and get to work..

Your association requires proof of eligibilty at every game?

If somebody say's a word to me about non rostered players; then we have an issue that I'll take on, other wise uh uh. I will certainly double check with the league on "like uni's etc" via my assignor for future reference, but we got two teams that say they are ready to go, we're going..

[SanDiegoSteve]

As long as both teams agree to the loaning of the player(s), I've never prohibited it in a youth ball game. If it were for the league championship, no they couldn't do it, but that's unlikely to happen in a league championship game.

Now if one team only has nine, and the other is short a player or more, then we have a good old fashioned forfeit on our hands. There has to be enough subs on the team that is loaning the player(s). I would not let them use starters.

And if a team has an ejection that brings them down to eight players, game over.

[bob jenkins]

Some leagues allow this "loaning", some don't -- you need to find the specific rules.

If not allowed and it turns into a "scrimmage", some insurance covers it, some doesnt -- again, you need to find out (I'm 99% certain that the NASO insurance covers it).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

As long as both teams agree to the loaning of the player(s), I've never prohibited it in a youth ball game. If it were for the league championship, no they couldn't do it, but that's unlikely to happen in a league championship game.

Now if one team only has nine, and the other is short a player or more, then we have a good old fashioned forfeit on our hands. There has to be enough subs on the team that is loaning the player(s). I would not let them use starters.

And if a team has an ejection that brings them down to eight players, game over.

I am not such a red *** in these recreational leagues. We have one just like this.

We play with 7-8 players if necessary, we let them loan players to other teams, who cares? The kids that are there want to play and nobody gives us any grief. Easiest $40 for a 2-hour time limit I've ever made.

[DG]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

My concern is with our association rules on this sort of thing happening... it is not that I get pleasure out of getting paid to not umpire.

There are very strict rules about this sort of thing for liability purposes. Unfortunately that is the world we live in today.

I have never belonged to an association that concerns itself with player eligibility. If the coaches agree to a player swap and answer my one and only question with a YES, we can play.