Jump Turn Fake Throw

[njdevs00cup]

Is a fake jump turn (provided the pitcher steps to first w/ the non-pivot foot and disengages) a legal move? FED

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Is a fake jump turn (provided the pitcher steps to first w/ the non-pivot foot and disengages) a legal move? FED

No. A jump turn is not considered disengaging. To disengage, the pitcher must first step back off the rubber with his pivot foot. On a jump turn, his pivot foot merely comes off the rubber as a result of the jump, not as an intentional disengagement. Balk.

[lawump]

No, but I can give you the OBR ruling. A runner who makes a jump pivot is considered "in contact" with the rubber...so it would be a balk.

Originally Posted by lawump

No, but I can give you the OBR ruling. A runner who makes a jump pivot is considered "in contact" with the rubber...so it would be a balk.

....in ALL rule books!

[lawump]

Originally Posted by rei

....in ALL rule books!

I assumed...but didn't want to state it...since we all know what can happen when you assume!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by lawump

No, but I can give you the OBR ruling. A runner who makes a jump pivot is considered "in contact" with the rubber...so it would be a balk.

Ahem.

Once that little matter is cleared up, I agree: jump turn + feint to 1B is a balk in all codes, since all codes require disengaging before a feint to 1B, and a jump turn is not disengaging.

[RPatrino]

Here's a funny one! I had a F1 start his jump turn to first but in the process fumbled the ball getting it out of his glove and he caught it himself! Balk!

[njdevs00cup]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

No. A jump turn is not considered disengaging. To disengage, the pitcher must first step back off the rubber with his pivot foot. On a jump turn, his pivot foot merely comes off the rubber as a result of the jump, not as an intentional disengagement. Balk.

Is the base award for throwing the ball into deadball territory one base or two when the pitcher jump turns?

[papablue]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Is the base award for throwing the ball into deadball territory one base or two when the pitcher jump turns?

Since F1 is still considered "in contact" on a jump turn, then one base.


John

[UMP25]

One base, because he is considered to be in contact with the rubber when the jump turn commences.

[FTVMartin]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Is the base award for throwing the ball into deadball territory one base or two when the pitcher jump turns?

One base, he is still in contact with the rubber. 2 if he disengages.

[soundedlikeastrike]

Originally Posted by FTVMartin

One base, he is still in contact with the rubber. 2 if he disengages.

Balk and throw OOP, non FED of course. Could be one, could be two.

Can't balk unless your in contact, sometimes.

Disengage improperly, balk, then throw, two.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by soundedlikeastrike

Balk and throw OOP, non FED of course. Could be one, could be two.

Can't balk unless your in contact, sometimes.

Disengage improperly, balk, then throw, two.

Uh, nope. Unless F1 delivers a pitch the ball is dead and runners are awarded one base for the balk violation. No way to get a two base award here.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by soundedlikeastrike

Balk and throw OOP, non FED of course. Could be one, could be two.

Can't balk unless your in contact, sometimes.

Disengage improperly, balk, then throw, two.

If it's two distinct acts -- balk while disengaging, then a throw -- then the ball's dead before it's thrown.

It's just about impossible to balk and have a 2-base award on a throw into DBT.