Interference / Force Play Slide

[tjones1]

Fed.

R1. No outs. Slow roller to F6, F4 takes the throw at second. The force play is made at second and R1 comes in standing up. F4 had to step toward third to throw to first. In my judgement, this altered the play to first. I killed the play immediately; I ruled interference and called the batter-runner out as well.

Coach didn't agree stating that the runners never required to slide. I agreed but stated that the runner may not alter the play.

Your thoughts?

Did I kick the play?

Edit: Added number of outs.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by tjones1

In my judgement, this altered the play to first.

You got the play right if this is truely how you feel. But, the fact that you're questioning it makes me think you may be questioning what it is you saw.

My question would be, did F4 have to step toward third to make the throw, or was it his momentum that took him toward third. If it was his momentum... maybe you kicked it, maybe not. I guess it's HTBT.

[jdmara]

Sounds like the right call to me

[tjones1]

Just wanted to double check and make sure I'm not crazy.

I don't think his momentum as he was stationary when it caught the ball.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Just wanted to double check and make sure I'm not crazy.

I don't think his momentum as he was stationary when it caught the ball.

In that case, it seems as though you nailed this one... good job!

[David B]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Just wanted to double check and make sure I'm not crazy.

I don't think his momentum as he was stationary when it caught the ball.

But also remember that many times it is normal for f4 to either step backwards or towards third to make the turn on the DP. This keeps them out of the way of the runner who is legally going into 2B. But you thought he interfered, so its a good call. I think that's the bottom line on this type of play.
Thanks
David

[johnnyg08]

The burden on this type of play is on the offense here. If you think he interfered, the coach needs to coach his players better.

It is my understanding that the runner needs to move AWAY from the fielder if he does not slide. The runner going straight into the bad is NOT moving AWAY from the fielder. Runner Interference. Out and a out.

It is like getting a free out.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rei

It is my understanding that the runner needs to move AWAY from the fielder if he does not slide. The runner going straight into the bad is NOT moving AWAY from the fielder. Runner Interference. Out and a out.

It is like getting a free out.

Agreed, but will add that if the fielder is moving away from the bag, then the runner can run straight to the bag.

[mbyron]

I think it's a good call. Runners never have to slide, but a runner going into 2B standing up better be well out of the fielder's way.

Good job explaining the rationale to the coach, btw. Often that's the hardest part of this call. Short and sweet.

[David B]

Originally Posted by rei

It is my understanding that the runner needs to move AWAY from the fielder if he does not slide. The runner going straight into the bad is NOT moving AWAY from the fielder. Runner Interference. Out and a out.

It is like getting a free out.

But I would be careful in explaining to a coach that the runner has any obligation to slide.

This is baseball and the runner cannot just disappear. But if there is intent to interfere then the umpire can make the call of DP.

Basically the runner can go directly to the base or away from the fielder, but if he's going right into the base, he does have a lot of leeway as long as he doesn't do anything to intentionally interfere.

If the coach doesn't like the decision, as Carl used to say, "tell him to play an upperclassman at F4" (grin)

Thanks
David

[TNStripes]

What position/location were you in when you made the call?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed, but will add that if the fielder is moving away from the bag, then the runner can run straight to the bag.

Agreed. Sorry, I was not going to try to cover EVERY possibly scenario that could happen in my post. I am sure the rest of the board will take care of that.

Originally Posted by David B

But I would be careful in explaining to a coach that the runner has any obligation to slide.

This is baseball and the runner cannot just disappear. But if there is intent to interfere then the umpire can make the call of DP.

Basically the runner can go directly to the base or away from the fielder, but if he's going right into the base, he does have a lot of leeway as long as he doesn't do anything to intentionally interfere.

If the coach doesn't like the decision, as Carl used to say, "tell him to play an upperclassman at F4" (grin)

Thanks
David

I rest my case from my last post.

And I think you are possibly missing the point of the rule. If he doesn't veer away from the fielder, than he MUST slide to not be called for interference. His "intent" has NOTHING to do with anything. I am no mind reader, and don't think I will ever gain that skill. FED and NCAA doesn't require me to read minds and figure "intent" with this rule. Avoid, slide, or get nailed for interference. It is really as simple as that.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by rei

I rest my case from my last post.

And I think you are possibly missing the point of the rule. If he doesn't veer away from the fielder, than he MUST slide to not be called for interference.

(Gasp!!)

New to the game?

Or just assuming that everytime a runner doesn't slide he interferes?

What if the fielder doesn't attempt the play to first?

What if there is no contact and no alteration of the play?

A runner never "must slide" to avoid an interference call in HS ball. There are always options.