Would you have dumped him?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is the very problem I have with many baseball umpires. You would never be able to work basketball or football if every time someone said something to you if there was an ejection on the spot. This is not the pros. Pro players and coaches know what is coming and that is why they know what to do and say to get ejected. I really wish we would get that pro mentality out of even college to LL ball.

Peace

Stick to the scenario, Jeff. This isn't an issue of somebody saying something. This is a player throwing equipment, TWICE, in disgust over an officials call.

I had this happen in basketball, and it was an easy call. Player threw his equipment bag in disgust at my partner's call. Real easy call.

[spokanelurker]

As a former coach, far be it from me to agree with you guys, generally. In this case, however, I'd let the helmet go (pushed off his head impulsively), but the thrown hat would seal the deal. The consequence should be the same in this situation, whether imposed by coach or umpire.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Stick to the scenario, Jeff. This isn't an issue of somebody saying something. This is a player throwing equipment, TWICE, in disgust over an officials call.

So would you eject someone every time they show disgust? I would think not. That is why I said this was not "automatic" for me.

Originally Posted by GarthB

I had this happen in basketball, and it was an easy call. Player threw his equipment bag in disgust at my partner's call. Real easy call.

Throwing an equipment bag and jumping around in disgust are two different things. A player had to go get the equipment bag in basketball because the last time I checked they do not run around with one. And if last night I got upset over every time a player showed disgust with a call that was made or not made, we would not have had any players to play. Showing disgust is not all I am looking for just because I called something. I see it much more in other sports and we do not even penalize them. We say something to the coach or the coach immediately handles it, we take note of it but that does not mean it is automatically an ejection.

Peace

[canadaump6]

From what I saw, it didn't look like the player threw his equipment to show up the umpire. It was more out of frustration. Tossing the player would acknowledge the fact that the umpire made a bad call and that the player was throwing his helmet over the call, not his frustration. Now if he glares at the umpire and combines that with throwing of equipment, he's gone. Same goes if he says anything. Now the equipment throwing conveys disrespect, not just frustration.

I also didn't perceive the coach's action as condoning the player's behaviour. He got his player under control, probably told him that even umpires are human, and maybe even told him not to throw equipment or make a big scene. Would it have been more acceptable for him to go up to the umpire and chew him out for making what was clearly a bad call? If I'm an umpire in that situation, I would rather the coach quickly get his player to the bench and move on with things rather than giving me grief for missing an obvious safe call.

[DG]

I'm curious, for all who say "I would dump him" are you assuming you are BU or PU? I am assuming everyone is taking the perspective of the BU, who made the call.

If you are the PU would you toss if your partner, who made this call, did not?

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by DG

I'm curious, for all who say "I would dump him" are you assuming you are BU or PU? I am assuming everyone is taking the perspective of the BU, who made the call.

If you are the PU would you toss if your partner, who made this call, did not?

could i just toss my partner?

[DG]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

could i just toss my partner?

I assume you are speaking from PU perspective as your partner is the one who pooched this call...

[Forest Ump]

I'm ejecting on this one. Automatic. Although I do like what Ozzy said.

I use to warn first, eject second. I have learned that warnings mean nothing to the kids.

Self control of your emotions is part of becoming a man. These boys need to learn that you don't get away with displays like that. If the coaches don't discipline then the umpire must.

Pony ball rules (18-E-4) states: Players who intentionally throw bats or protective head gear shall be ejected from the game.