Game Management

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Thanks reddevil for your comments. You did not ramble in the least bit.

I certainly don't think any ballplayer getting hit is funny, especially a player for whom I am rooting like Bradley.

Unfortunately for Bradley, his reputation precedes him. No matter what kind of fresh start he has made here, he has a reputation of being a pain in the butt toward umpires, and umpires (much like elephants) don't forget.

Just as we can say that Meachem has no reason to lie (besides the fact that he is a rodent and can't help it ), Mike Winters is not the kind of guy who goes around acting this way. I know Mike and he is a very nice man. I've watched him umpire for years, attended classes that he has taught and have had several conversations with him. I would never believe him to act the way it has been reported.

There must be something more to this than just this one incident. I would venture to say there is a history between Winters and Bradley that goes back to before the Padres acquired him.

Mike Winters stuck his nose where it didn't belong. If Winters lets things linger, he shouldn't be wearing the uniform.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Mike Winters stuck his nose where it didn't belong. If Winters lets things linger, he shouldn't be wearing the uniform.

And you know this because you were there?????? How do you know what really happened? Winters is a damn good umpire and Bradley is a known trouble maker. My money is on Winters.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

And you know this because you were there?????? How do you know what really happened? Winters is a damn good umpire and Bradley is a known trouble maker. My money is on Winters.

I think it's entirely possible that Winters baited him. I also think it's entirely possible that Bradley deserved it. But, both of those statements are just supposition.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think it's entirely possible that Winters baited him. I also think it's entirely possible that Bradley deserved it. But, both of those statements are just supposition.

I personally don't find anything wrong with putting some cheese on a mousetrap, but then again one shouldn't call names. We'll see what happens. Bradley is threatening to take it to the highest court.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think it's entirely possible that Winters baited him. I also think it's entirely possible that Bradley deserved it. But, both of those statements are just supposition.

I guess it might depend on what point in time the replay starts, but the one being shown on ESPN indicates that Bradley was jawing at Winters while taking his lead and Winters was responding.

MLB has hired lip readers in the past to help them determine who said what what in similar instances. I'll bet it's already been done.

[SanDiegoSteve]

I just heard an interview with Padres CEO Sandy Alderson who said that he would find it hard to believe that anyone could say that Winters didn't provoke the situation. He is not holding Bradley blameless, but he finds it impossible to imagine Bradley just melting down at first base all on his own. The prior at bat was brought up by Runge, and then again by Winters. Form all accounts of all witnesses so far, it appears that Bradley did not initiate the conversation concerning the flung bat.

Alderson won't make any comments specific to the case, but it appears that Winters did indeed bait Bradley with a racist comment of some sort. We will all just have to wait and see.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I just heard an interview with Padres CEO Sandy Alderson who said that he would find it hard to believe that anyone could say that Winters didn't provoke the situation. He is not holding Bradley blameless, but he finds it impossible to imagine Bradley just melting down at first base all on his own. The prior at bat was brought up by Runge, and then again by Winters. Form all accounts of all witnesses so far, it appears that Bradley did not initiate the conversation concerning the flung bat.

Alderson won't make any comments specific to the case, but it appears that Winters did indeed bait Bradley with a racist comment of some sort. We will all just have to wait and see.

Sandy Alderson??? YGBSM.

Yeah, there's an unbaised voice being raised.

ESPN is now reporting that the first base coach who accused Winters of a racial slur has changed his allegation to Winters said something that "could be taken racially."

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Sandy Alderson??? YGBSM.

Yeah, there's an unbaised voice being raised.

ESPN is now reporting that the first base coach who accused Winters of a racial slur has changed his allegation to Winters said something that "could be taken racially."

Uh, we like Sandy out these parts. He is a very rational man and not prone to hyperbole. He is a respected baseball man around the league, being that he is a former MLB executive. I would not blame him for being a bit partial toward the Padres since he has a vested interest in the team.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by GarthB

ESPN is now reporting that the first base coach who accused Winters of a racial slur has changed his allegation to Winters said something that "could be taken racially."

Yeah, like Jose Canseco used to accuse the media of being racist because reporters asked whether he used steroids.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by GarthB

MLB has hired lip readers in the past to help them determine who said what what in similar instances. I'll bet it's already been done.

ESPN is reporting that MLB is going to reach out to Todd Helton to find out what was said.


Tim.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

ESPN is reporting that MLB is going to reach out to Todd Helton to find out what was said.


Tim.

Wow, two different statements by ESPN....

The most telling statement is, "No comment" by Winters.