Little League

[UmpLarryJohnson]

that OFFICER is a disgrace--FIRST, he umpires without knowinga BASIC RULE, then he RUNS to the NEWSPAPers to WHINE about a RULEBOOK. ID say hes much more GREY (ie RAT) than BLUE.

[Rcichon]

LL Rules are also available on DVD disk.

Everything in .pdf format but you cannot print ANYTHING from this disk. You cannot copy it nor can you save-as.

Security is set and encrypted. You cannot even 'print screen' and then paste that as a picture file.

I can get as many disks as I want but it's near impossible to re-publish it.

[bluezebra]

"LL is just trying to protest it's property by not putting it on-line."

Just out of curiosity, why would LL try to protest its (not it's) property?

Back in the mid-70s, another LL parent and I (both certified FED umpires) finally convinced our league to have us conduct a class for umpires to do our Minor Division games. The Majors and Seniors used a local association for umpires, while the Minors almost literally dragged Dads from the stands at each game. There had been NO training, no scheduling, etc.

We had the league purchase rule books for each one of our volunteers. We had four classroom sessions, and one mechanics session on the field. They had to pass with at least 80% of a 100-question exam. Some of the umps were Senior Division boys, and we scheduled two umps per game, with at least one being an adult. Managers and coaches, as well as parents, were told before the season started that there would be no harassing the teens. We had a GREAT season, with no problems.

But the bottom line is, the LEAGUE bought rule books for the umpires.

Bob

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

"LL is just trying to protest it's property by not putting it on-line."

Just out of curiosity, why would LL try to protest its (not it's) property?

Originally Posted by bluezebra

The Majors and Seniors used a local assocition for umpires

People who live in glass houses. . .

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

People who live in glass houses. . .

Whoops. That's what I get for having stubby fingures, and not proof-reading.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't------.

You fill in the blanks.

Bob

[kylejt]

Two reasons to protest its (thanks) property.

One, they make a little money off the sale of the books. Not much though.

Two, it protects its (got it now) integrity. Put it out in the public domain, and someone might "rewrite" it to serve their own purpose.

The green book is very obtainable. You can join the LL Umpire Registry, and get one with membership. Or, you can simple request one from any regional. All you need is your local league membership number to order one. Not as big a production as the article might have you believe.

My local league gets plenty. They're free to any coach, umpire or league official.

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson

that OFFICER is a disgrace--FIRST, he umpires without knowinga BASIC RULE, then he RUNS to the NEWSPAPers to WHINE about a RULEBOOK. ID say hes much more GREY (ie RAT) than BLUE.

there are probably a lot of little leagues that use parents as umpires.
when i played LL, weekday games were done with one hired umpire and one parent on the bases, usually a dad that would volunteer. weekend games were done with two paid umpires...but i became one of those paid umpires when i was 14 and i only knew a little more than the dads at the time. did those dads know anything other than basic safes and outs? 99% of the time the answer is no. you take what you can get, you get what you pay for...they get no money, they get no rule book. they just do it so their kids can play the game, so thank god they even showed up.

i should have made every other word all capitals...

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

i should have made every other word all capitals...

Please don't. Then I'd be forced to ignore you,also, and I don't want to do that.

[Mountaineer]

Everything in LL - and I mean EVERYTHING - is about money. Why would the rule books be an exception? Our district staff has a clinic every year for umpires and we provide them with rule books at that time. We also encourage our umpires to join the umpire registry. for umpires that don't attend they should be able to get one from their local league - or contact one of our staff umpires.

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Everything in LL - and I mean EVERYTHING - is about money. Why would the rule books be an exception? Our district staff has a clinic every year for umpires and we provide them with rule books at that time. We also encourage our umpires to join the umpire registry. for umpires that don't attend they should be able to get one from their local league - or contact one of our staff umpires.

the guy is just a parent. from what i gather (could be wrong): hes not on any umpire staff, has no assignor, has nothing to do with any district, probably goes out there in jeans and a t-shirt, etc. his affiliation with little league is solely through his kid's team. he didnt miss any clinic

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Everything in LL - and I mean EVERYTHING - is about money. Why would the rule books be an exception?

Good to see someone has leapt into reality.

[njdevs00cup]

We have Cerbo League rules, during summer and fall ball. I don't know if these are unique to NJ. No umpires in our association have a rulebook (I don't think one exists). You have a twenty minute pre-game discussing every scenario, because when teams travel rules were enforced differently. I had a coach tell me that they played a game (13U) in which contact with the catcher was ignored, just like the majors. I informed him that would not be the case in this game!

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

there are probably a lot of little leagues that use parents as umpires.
when i played LL, weekday games were done with one hired umpire and one parent on the bases, usually a dad that would volunteer. weekend games were done with two paid umpires...but i became one of those paid umpires when i was 14 and i only knew a little more than the dads at the time. did those dads know anything other than basic safes and outs? 99% of the time the answer is no. you take what you can get, you get what you pay for...they get no money, they get no rule book. they just do it so their kids can play the game, so thank god they even showed up.

i should have made every other word all capitals...

I always refused to have a Dad work the bases for me. Not knowing even the most basic of rules, they get you into trouble every time. They mean well, but that's not good enough.

Bob

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

I always refused to have a Dad work the bases for me. Not knowing even the most basic of rules, they get you into trouble every time. They mean well, but that's not good enough.

Bob

There is a PONY League here that does it this way:

Mustang League - BU is a coach from Bronco League.

Bronco League - BU is a coach from Pony League.

Pony League - uses 2 real umpires.

These coaches are on a rotation, much in the same fashion as the snack bar ladies and scorekeepers from each team. It's all laid out on a chart so everyone knows when it's their turn.

I've observed some of these guys umpiring, and some of them weren't too bad. When I did this level, I always preferred working alone to having a helper, but at this league, that is not an option.