Hawk Harrelson - Worst announcer EVER!

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

As for his lack of rules knowledge, he's no worse than the others. In fact, he's behind Tim McCarver and Joe Morgan.

Bob

Or would that be ahead of McCarver and Morgan ?

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

Or would that be ahead of McCarver and Morgan ?

No. In lack of rules knowledge, he's behind in the sense of order.

Worst..McCarver; Second..Morgan; Third..Harrelson. But it's close.

Bob

[SanDiegoSteve]

Wow, you can put that little duck-snort on the board.....YES!

I think Harrelson is much more knowledgeable than are Palmer and Reynolds. I would put them 3 and 4 respectively. I think we can come up with even more.

I've listened the Hawkeroo for many years, and he's usually not as bad as this latest thing. He's just a homer who thinks his team got hosed. I'm sure if it were explained to him, that he would acknowledge that the right call was eventually made.

[Jim Porter]

I really can't blame any White Sox personnel for being upset about this play. The umpires royally screwed up. While they corrected their errors in the end and eventually got the right ruling and placement of runners, they let all that action play out when play should've been stopped. They allowed the White Sox to acquire two outs that would later be nullified. They made a difficult situation a helluva lot worse. It was very poor umpiring. Hawk is paid by the White Sox to be their announcer. He's their representative. While he might not have understood the final outcome (and, let's face it, most umpires on these forums didn't understand the outcome until it was explained by a few of us in detail) he was quite correct in calling it a bunch of, "BS."

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

I really can't blame any White Sox personnel for being upset about this play. The umpires royally screwed up. While they corrected their errors in the end and eventually got the right ruling and placement of runners, they let all that action play out when play should've been stopped. They allowed the White Sox to acquire two outs that would later be nullified. They made a difficult situation a helluva lot worse. It was very poor umpiring. Hawk is paid by the White Sox to be their announcer. He's their representative. While he might not have understood the final outcome (and, let's face it, most umpires on these forums didn't understand the outcome until it was explained by a few of us in detail) he was quite correct in calling it a bunch of, "BS."

The umpires actually did a pretty good job. The play cannot be over until the obstructed runner is denied the base he would have achieved had there been no obstruction. That the play continued after that is not to say the umpires were not trying to stop it.

And the media did a nice job of explaining it, Hawk Harrelson excepted:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....s-sports-print

[Jim Porter]

Of course the umpires were not trying to stop it. Heck, one of the umpires who called the obstruction later made a subsequent out call after the rundown on R2 between third and home. The other umpire who called the obstruction was in position to make a call on the subsequent rundown of the BR between first and second. That was horrible, in my opinion. It showed a lack of knowledge of the rule. Joe West saved the day, I think.

[Jim Porter]

And the media got the explanation right only because they had Rich Garcia and West to explain it all to them, as they should.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Wow, you can put that little duck-snort on the board.....

I've always hated that term......

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

I've always hated that term......

Sorry, both of my favorite AL teams are Sox.

[Lawrence.Dorsey]

Let me say this first, I am not defending Ken Harrelson's rant because it was a little too much for me. But I honestly don't think he saw Eddie Rap signal obstruction when it happened. I did when they showed the camera shot from over the third base dugout but I guarantee few if any saw the signal, including the Hawk. Furthermore, since Hawk never saw the original signal, he had absolutely no idea why runners were placed after the outs had been made.

Some of the confusion was dictated by the Type B obstruction and some as others have pointed out was dictated by the umpires not killing the play when the obstructed runner was caught in a rundown. All in all it was a mess.


Lawrence

[gsf23]

Originally Posted by Lawrence.Dorsey

Let me say this first, I am not defending Ken Harrelson's rant because it was a little too much for me. But I honestly don't think he saw Eddie Rap signal obstruction when it happened. I did when they showed the camera shot from over the third base dugout but I guarantee few if any saw the signal, including the Hawk. Furthermore, since Hawk never saw the original signal, he had absolutely no idea why runners were placed after the outs had been made.

Some of the confusion was dictated by the Type B obstruction and some as others have pointed out was dictated by the umpires not killing the play when the obstructed runner was caught in a rundown. All in all it was a mess.


Lawrence

Well, I was watching on WGN with Kaper and Brenly. Ast first they didn't understand what was going on but as the umpires confered and they showed the replay, Brenly picked up the obstuction call right away. Actually, Rap and the third base umpire both signaled for the obstruction. At first, Brenly thought that they would still call Pie out since he wasn't obstructed, but after the umpires made the ruiling, they pulled out the rulebook and found the rule and explained it very well on the broadcast.

The part of the clip that is missed is that during the break between innings, Hawk came over to the Cubs broadcast booth and Brenly had to explain to him what happened.

[tjones1]

In another game of that series, there was a strikeout of the batter and R1 was running. The batter's swing carried him over the plate. When I saw it live I thought man that's got to be close to INT. Sure enough, they banged him for INT - double play.

Hawk said.. "that's an iffy, iffy call." Silly monkeys!

Edit: Didn't realize this was an old, old thread. My fault.

Originally Posted by BaBa Booey

Not that this is anything new, but while watching this video I found myself wanting to punch hawk harrelson through the computer screen...

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | CWS@KC: Ozzie is ejected arguing balls and strikes - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

I saw a clip of Ozzie getting dumped early in a game the other night. I thought it said it was in the 1st inning...thanks for the video.

[rbmartin]

In retrospect, he obviously would have been better off not commenting on the play, however, I say give the guy a break. When is the last time you, as an umpire, witnissed a play unfold in this manner?

Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent,...Proverbs 17:28