Runner Abandoning the Base Path

[Forest Ump]

Originally Posted by LMan

Do you carry your tape measure in your left ballbag or your right?

Of course I do. I keep it in my leather ball bag.

[btdt]

The generally accepted mechanic is to give the 'safe' sign and verbalize 'no catch! no catch!'

Generally accepted by who?

In what other situation do you verbalize a situation in progress for the benefit of the players (excluding safe/out/strike/ball). Isn't the umpire verbalizing "no catch" and signaling giving players instructions they should gather on thier own. Umpires don't verbilize instructions to players any other time.

The FED manual instructs umpires to verbilize "batter's out" if he starts to run on dropped third strike when he is not entitled to. Otherwise mute.

This is a situation of umpires doing too much for the wrong reason , in my experience.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by btdt

The generally accepted mechanic is to give the 'safe' sign and verbalize 'no catch! no catch!'

Generally accepted by who?

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I'm not going into all that again. Search 'Eddings' on the forum when you have a spare week or two.



As I recall, I previously posted that I'm having trouble myself with the verbalization part...I can signal safe no problem, but its hard for me to say 'no catch' for some reason.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by btdt

The generally accepted mechanic is to give the 'safe' sign and verbalize 'no catch! no catch!'

Generally accepted by who?

In what other situation do you verbalize a situation in progress for the benefit of the players (excluding safe/out/strike/ball). Isn't the umpire verbalizing "no catch" and signaling giving players instructions they should gather on thier own. Umpires don't verbilize instructions to players any other time.

The FED manual instructs umpires to verbilize "batter's out" if he starts to run on dropped third strike when he is not entitled to. Otherwise mute.

This is a situation of umpires doing too much for the wrong reason , in my experience.

The current mechanic being taught at pro school is for the umpire to signal the strike by pointing to the side to avoid any confusion with a hammer strike and a hammer out, then while using the safe signal, say "no catch."

To anticipate your question, this is accepted in pro ball and should be accepted in any league.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by btdt

[B]
The FED manual instructs umpires to verbilize "batter's out" if he starts to run on dropped third strike when he is not entitled to. Otherwise mute.

By the way, the best thing you can do with the FED umpire manual is throw it out the day it arrives.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GarthB

By the way, the best thing you can do with the FED umpire manual is throw it out the day it arrives.

Is that why I don't have one? Yep, it is.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by GarthB

By the way, the best thing you can do with the FED umpire manual is throw it out the day it arrives.

We get our State Manual here, instead of the FED manual. I'd like to get a copy of the FED book, just to compare FED mechanics with Alabama State
mechanics.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

We get our State Manual here, instead of the FED manual. I'd like to get a copy of the FED book, just to compare FED mechanics with Alabama State
mechanics.

The next one I get, I'll throw out in your direction.

[DG]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

We get our State Manual here, instead of the FED manual. I'd like to get a copy of the FED book, just to compare FED mechanics with Alabama State mechanics.

Send me your address and I will send you mine. It is in NEW condition since I have not looked at it since it came. By the way, comparing to any other mechanics manual is a waste of time.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by btdt

The generally accepted mechanic is to give the 'safe' sign and verbalize 'no catch! no catch!'

Generally accepted by who?

In what other situation do you verbalize a situation in progress for the benefit of the players (excluding safe/out/strike/ball).

Well, isn't this a "safe" call? If there's a play in the outfiled where the outfielder dives for the ball and it short-hops into the glove, don't you signal and verbalize "safe" (or whatever you call that means that -- "no catch", "ball's on the ground", etc.)?

Isn't there a difference between telling the players the status of the play (safe / no catch) and what to do (run to first, tag the runner)?

Is this too many questions?

What if there were no hypothetical situations?

[Fritz]

Thanks for all the tips guys, sorry I missed the earlier thread on abandonment. On my mechanics, I show a raised fist on any swinging strike, which is what I did in this case. I tried doing the "safe" call after that earlier in the year and found it strange - like I had changed my mind on whether the batter swung or not. I do remember reading though that this is now the accepted mechanic in the majors.

Think the best thing is to verbalize the "no catch" (using the same rationale about fly balls dropping in the outfield) and then signaling the safe sign.

I did not know, however, about the new 26'/dirt circle rule - sorry I missed that new entry into the rules. Since virtually all of the summer leagues I do have all dirt around home plate (a couple of grass infields), I guess I will call the batter out once he gets close to the on-deck circle to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

What if there were no hypothetical situations?

Yes or no....would you answer a hypothetical question if I asked one?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Yes or no....would you answer a hypothetical question if I asked one?

Yes, or no.

[charliej47]

To say "throw the FED manual away when you get it" is the same as to say "throw the MLB away when you get it" or any other ruleset.

When you work those games, use those rules, or don't work them! I work FED, ASA, USSSA, and a lot of other alphabet rulesets. I try to use them to the best of my ability as they are writen, not as I choose. I study those rulesets every day so that I know the different ones and know which ones to apply when I "put on the shirt". Since I don't work LL in my area anymore, I stopped taking the certification test every year and I am not up on the current ruleset for them, but for the rest, i look on it as a challenge to be current.

[mbyron]

No, they're talking about the crappy FED Umpire Manual, not the rule book or case book. But thanks for playing.