First Base Coach

[JRutledge]

First of all we can rule on anything not specifically covered in the rulebook. Secondly, if a coach purposely interfered with a live ball, I am not going to just kill the ball. I am going to penalize their team. I am going to likely get an out on a runner that was involved in the play or get the runner closest to home. Now unless you can show me a specific application in FED or NCAA that is what I am going to do (I do not care about OBR, I do not work games under those rules). I just do not think it is right to just let everyone stay safe for a deliberate act by an offensive coach.

Peace

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all we can rule on anything not specifically covered in the rulebook. Secondly, if a coach purposely interfered with a live ball, I am not going to just kill the ball. I am going to penalize their team. I am going to likely get an out on a runner that was involved in the play or get the runner closest to home. Now unless you can show me a specific application in FED or NCAA that is what I am going to do (I do not care about OBR, I do not work games under those rules). I just do not think it is right to just let everyone stay safe for a deliberate act by an offensive coach.

Peace

Interfering with a live ball is not necessarily interfering with a play on a runner.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Interfering with a live ball is not necessarily interfering with a play on a runner.

I did not say it was. But you have a coach that purposely changed the direction of a live ball. I am telling what I would do, if you want everyone to be safe that is your right to do that. If the rules committees want a specific application, then they should list a penalty or remedy for the situation. All the rules say in FED (I will have to look up NCAA) is a coach cannot purposely interfere with a fair ball on purpose.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

I don't remember any specific rule set mentioned in the OP. Tibear can fill us in on what type of game this was. I usually figure OBR unless stated otherwise. I really doubt this was an NCAA game.

My feeling is that the offense was punished enough by not getting a base award that they otherwise would have. R2 could not advance past 3rd base, and the BR had to stay at first. Offense punished.

[johnnyg08]

I don't think I ever took a stance on an award...also, if the BR successfully reached 1B before the infielder made the first play...this would be a Time of Throw sitch...not a time of pitch...I agree with you SDS...on what you say about Time of Pitch...my most recent post (not this one) wasn't referencing the OP, when I reread my most recent above post, was rather unclear...but I did post assuming that the runner had reached 1B prior to Time of Throw...oh well...not fighting to be right/wrong/or other, just posting...

[tibear]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I don't think I ever took a stance on an award...also, if the BR successfully reached 1B before the infielder made the first play...this would be a Time of Throw sitch...not a time of pitch...I agree with you SDS...on what you say about Time of Pitch...my most recent post (not this one) wasn't referencing the OP, when I reread my most recent above post, was rather unclear...but I did post assuming that the runner had reached 1B prior to Time of Throw...oh well...not fighting to be right/wrong/or other, just posting...

Johnny, this would be a TOT situation only if EVERY runner AND the BR had reached their next base BEFORE F4 had thrown the ball.

However, in this case, it was a bang-bang play at first (but no catch) so the ball had been thrown before the BR had reached first.

[johnnyg08]

I see your bang, bang play reference...at 1B...no way is this TOT...yes, I agree...if the play was made by an infielder...which is on topic with the OP...I reread the PBUC ump manual on page 25...where there are three very clearly written interpretations.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I don't think I ever took a stance on an award...also, if the BR successfully reached 1B before the infielder made the first play...this would be a Time of Throw sitch...not a time of pitch...I agree with you SDS...on what you say about Time of Pitch...my most recent post (not this one) wasn't referencing the OP, when I reread my most recent above post, was rather unclear...but I did post assuming that the runner had reached 1B prior to Time of Throw...oh well...not fighting to be right/wrong/or other, just posting...

Ok.... no stance (despite what you said above) ... I'll rephrase.

Why are you talking about awards AT ALL with regard to this topic?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Ok.... no stance (despite what you said above) ... I'll rephrase.

Why are you talking about awards AT ALL with regard to this topic?

I think those who are talking about awards are doing it for "what if" situations, as in "what if the coach had not interfered, and the ball had really gone out of play."

The OP sitch is cut and dried: No base awards.

[tibear]

Being from Canada, we only use OBR. There are slight modifications for the different ages but everywhere in Canada uses OBR.

From what I hear about the differences in rule sets in the states I prefer our philosophy. When you watch a game of baseball, it doesn't matter where or who is playing, the rules are all the same. Makes it easier for everyone to keep things straight.

(However, last night I still had to explain why a runner was allowed to steal second on a foul tip! Bantam AA team (second highest level for 14-15 year olds), can't understand how some coaches still don't know the basic rules once they reach that level.)