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Old Wed May 16, 2007, 08:04am
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I was very excited to be moved from a mid-level freshman game (base job) to a High-Level Varsity Game (plate job) here in NJ today.
Not to "burst your bubble" but IMO you were moved because others most likely "kicked back' this game.

I know you didn't ask but is seems that your number 1 problem lies in the HS umpires asociation you work in. It sounds like this team behaved that way all season long and no crew did anything about it.

Ozzy gave you a "blow by blow' analysis of what you should have done, but your association is also at fault here.

F2's tactics should have been dealt with from game 1. As mentioned I doubt that this was the first time F2 did what he did.

One difference I have with Ozzy. This was a HS game and even though we are to ignore fans, when you here abusive language coming from the stands, then it's time to go to the home coach and ask him to "get rid" of this individual. Fans can get riled in a hurry and you do not need a "cheerleader' egging everyone on. From the description of the OP it sounds like this type of game could have turned "ugly" in a heartbeat.

Summary: bring this up at your HS association meeting. Also I know you want to move up but when you get a "high level' varsity game this time of year and all along you were doing Freshman / JV there's something "rotten in Denmark"

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Old Wed May 16, 2007, 10:04pm
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Not to "burst your bubble" but IMO you were moved because others most likely "kicked back' this game.

Also I know you want to move up but when you get a "high level' varsity game this time of year and all along you were doing Freshman / JV there's something "rotten in Denmark"

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I don't know Pete. Maybe the assignor knew exactly what he was doing, this was a high level late season game that meant nothing to either team's playoff hopes, one team is known for bad behaviour and he was sent to be evaluated.

And it would seem he knows what he needs to work on but did not use this opportunity to work on it. Anyone who would not toss instantaneously after hearing "Your are the worst f*cking umpires I have ever seen!" and load up to toss again if there is a negative reaction from any other game participants lacks game management skills entirely.

He needs to go read the Six EJ's post from Arnold A. and learn how to get any and all comers.
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Old Thu May 17, 2007, 08:58am
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I don't know Pete. Maybe the assignor knew exactly what he was doing, this was a high level late season game that meant nothing to either team's playoff hopes, one team is known for bad behaviour and he was sent to be evaluated.
If the aforementioned was the case, then Pat would have already been assigned this game.


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I was very excited to be moved from a mid-level freshman game (base job) to a High-Level Varsity Game (plate job) here in NJ today.
Varsity games ALWAYS have 2 umpires, therefore, this particlar game already had 2 varisty officials pre-scheduled. It's seems "on paper" that one of these officials (we now know why) kicked back the game, and perhaps the other varisty officials on the roster already had assignments, hence Pat got the call.

It's a BIG move from "Mid-level Freshman" to "High level" varsity. In addition it seems as though the assignor "threw him to the wolves"

Also, I doubt that this was the first time these particular teams and fans behaved that way for the FIRST time. I know none of us were there, but it appears that the association has done nothing about these teams behaviors. Maybe the other varisty officials who did these teams games in the past were afraid of getting a bad rating and therefore, did nothing about the behavior. (BTW this is common in many an umpire association)

As I mentioned, it's nice to move up but generally speaking when you as an official have been doing low to mid level Fresman ball all season and suddenly get a call to do the dish on a "high level' varsity game something is going on here.

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Old Fri May 18, 2007, 01:29pm
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Also, I doubt that this was the first time these particular teams and fans behaved that way for the FIRST time. I know none of us were there, but it appears that the association has done nothing about these teams behaviors. Maybe the other varsity officials who did these teams games in the past were afraid of getting a bad rating and therefore, did nothing about the behavior. (BTW this is common in many an umpire association)
My assignor used to send me to "trouble spots" to go in and clean house. I'd go in there and in no uncertain terms show that there was a new sheriff in town. These schools or leagues aren't the place to put a lower-level, less experienced umpire right off the bat, and I agree that perhaps he was thrown to the wolves.
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