Unusual occurence in April 28th Baltimore-Cleveland game

[jimpiano]

The protest will be disallowed since the umpires got it right.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

The protest will be disallowed since the umpires got it right.

It's not about what the call should have been, but rather how it got there. Was proper procedure followed? No way. This is a process failure, and the protest is all about the process.

Umpire mistakes are part of the very fabric of the game. Sometimes we goof, boys. And when we do, the managers have certain responsibilities. And when they fail it's TFB for everyone.

MLB is going to sugar coat this, I have no doubt. The "get the call right" brush will sweep it all under the rug. But the implications, just like the reversed foul call last year, will build up until the robots from Spacely Sprockets are calling the games. I just hope +POS won't be the official supplier for spare parts.

[Durham]

Originally Posted by kylejt

It's not about what the call should have been, but rather how it got there. Was proper procedure followed? No way. This is a process failure, and the protest is all about the process.

Umpire mistakes are part of the very fabric of the game. Sometimes we goof, boys. And when we do, the managers have certain responsibilities. And when they fail it's TFB for everyone.

MLB is going to sugar coat this, I have no doubt. The "get the call right" brush will sweep it all under the rug. But the implications, just like the reversed foul call last year, will build up until the robots from Spacely Sprockets are calling the games. I just hope +POS won't be the official supplier for spare parts.

Since you seem to be abreast of the proper procedure for this type of situation, can you tell me where I can find it so I can read it for myself?

I thought the process and objective of an umpires job was to ultimately get the call right?

The process use to allow for swearing on the field, chewing tobacco on the field, living and dieing with a call. The process has changed and the guys followed it.

[David B]

Originally Posted by kylejt

It's not about what the call should have been, but rather how it got there. Was proper procedure followed? No way. This is a process failure, and the protest is all about the process.

Umpire mistakes are part of the very fabric of the game. Sometimes we goof, boys. And when we do, the managers have certain responsibilities. And when they fail it's TFB for everyone.

MLB is going to sugar coat this, I have no doubt. The "get the call right" brush will sweep it all under the rug. But the implications, just like the reversed foul call last year, will build up until the robots from Spacely Sprockets are calling the games. I just hope +POS won't be the official supplier for spare parts.

Well I've looked in all of my books and can't seem to find a proper process for this play.

So there must be some information that I'm not aware of - if you could please let me know where to look or what the process is, that would be helpful.

Maybe its just the baseketball ref in me whereas you can always go back and fix the score until the game is over as long as you have evidence etc., It was the third out of the inning anyway so it didn't affect the outcome of the inning or the game for that matter.

Not that I'd ever have this play happen, but just in case ,

Thanks
David

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by David B

Well I've looked in all of my books and can't seem to find a proper process for this play.

So there must be some information that I'm not aware of - if you could please let me know where to look or what the process is, that would be helpful.

Maybe its just the baseketball ref in me whereas you can always go back and fix the score until the game is over as long as you have evidence etc., It was the third out of the inning anyway so it didn't affect the outcome of the inning or the game for that matter.

Not that I'd ever have this play happen, but just in case ,

Thanks
David

I don't think that there is any specific thing for this play, but baseball has a pretty consistent timeframe for dealing with things: next pitch or all infielders leave the infield. I think the umpires have to get it right in that time frame or live with it. Here a mistake was made but it just wasn't corrected soon enough.

[mcrowder]

I think it's a no-brainer that this protest should be upheld. The offense, at the time of the RULES misinterpretation, did not protest the incorrect ruling. 1 pitch later, it's too late. 3 innings later? Ridiculous. Since the offended team had no recourse 3 innings later, why should the umpires? They don't. Adding the run that late is not in accordance with the rules, and THIS was correctly protested.

The real question ... will MLB have the cojones to uphold the protest and replay the game from that point? I bet they don't, and I bet their excuse is that 1 run was not the difference in the game ... a contention I disagree with 100%.

[UMP25]

Don't be surprised if this protest is denied for a couple reasons, one of which is that the ultimate ruling, which was correct, had "no substantial impact upon the outcome of the game."

[lawump]

Originally Posted by UMP25

Don't be surprised if this protest is denied for a couple reasons, one of which is that the ultimate ruling, which was correct, had "no substantial impact upon the outcome of the game."

Agreed. This protest is going to be denied for one reason and one reason only: Take away the run and Baltimore still wins 6-4. If the final score was 7-6, then maybe they'd uphold the protest (or maybe not). If the final score was 7-6 they would likely be forced to address the merits of Cleveland's protest...but with a 3-run difference, there is no need...they will quickly deny it and move on.

I know some will argue: "we'll that's not right because the impact of adding that run in the 6th could have affected how Cleveland played the rest of the game," or something like that. Unfortunately, MLB execs don't have PhD's...so this won't fly. The execs only care about the hard facts, baby. Take away the run and it doesn't matter.

IMO, this protest will be denied solely on the grounds stated by UMP25: The run doesn't matter one way or the other.

[Durham]

I am just saying that while you are correct, for an appeal to be made by a team the rules dictate that it must be done before the next pitch and/or before the players leave the field and what not. However, this wasn't an appeal play. This was the umpires working to get it right. And I can't find a section in the book that states they have a time limit to do that. The teams yes, the umpires no. You said it Pete, we do live in an imperferct world, and while the timing was imperfect, the call was correct. And Mc, you want to talk about cojones, man, would any of us have the cojones to do what Ed and the boys did? It truly will be interesting to see what MLB says.