Unusual occurence in April 28th Baltimore-Cleveland game

[Toadman15241]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Everyone is overthinking this. It's a judgment call, on a timing play. No one, NO ONE called it a misapplication of the rules after it happened.

Too late now, or three innings later, IMO.

I disagree. There is NO way that this is a judgment call. Everyone in the park knew that the runner touched home before the appeal at 1st. If it was pure judgment, the O's bench coach would not have come out to argue, and they wouldn't have sent someone to check the rule book. This crew managed to screw up two basic rules in one game. Sad.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by Toadman15241

Everyone in the park knew that the runner touched home before the appeal at 1st.

Everyone......except for one. Unfortunately, he's the only guy in the park that counts. He waved it off. Now the question is, why did he wave it off? Either he didn't know a very fundamental baseball rule, OR he thought the appeal came before the runner hit the plate. Both equally stupid. But who's to say that the PU just didn't think about the touch of the plate, saw R1 returning, and assumed R3 brainlocked as well. What I'm saying is that the PU didn't see R3 score, and he just waved off. A JUDGMENT CALL. A very poor judgment call, but that's all it is.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Everyone......except for one. Unfortunately, he's the only guy in the park that counts. He waved it off. Now the question is, why did he wave it off? Either he didn't know a very fundamental baseball rule, OR he thought the appeal came before the runner hit the plate. Both equally stupid. But who's to say that the PU just didn't think about the touch of the plate, saw R1 returning, and assumed R3 brainlocked as well. What I'm saying is that the PU didn't see R3 score, and he just waved off. A JUDGMENT CALL. A very poor judgment call, but that's all it is.

I don't know why you are tyring to hang your hat on a judgment call. Even the umpires involved said they were checking a RULE.

"We kicked it around and now I'm having a brain cramp on it," Montague said. "So I sent Bill (umpire Bill Miller) in, I said 'You know what, cause we're debating, you go in. Lets make it 100 percent sure."'

Miller checked the rule and said the run should have counted. Montague was vague about why it took until the sixth to make the change, saying "it kind of went on" with the umpires conferring with the managers.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I don't know why you are tyring to hang your hat on a judgment call. Even the umpires involved said they were checking a RULE.

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Oh, I agree. They were looking for some sort of rule to overturn, negate or bypass a blown judgment call. They just couldn't find one, I guess.

[kylejt]

I'm open to a logical explanation on why the PU waved off the run.

Again, I'm not saying I'm right. It's just what I would argue on this protest. I've got my lawyer hat on, instead of my six stitch combo. Bring it counselor!

Has Marv spoken about this incident yet? Have any of you groupies talked to him?

[Durham]

Originally Posted by kylejt

I'm open to a logical explanation on why the PU waved off the run.

Again, I'm not saying I'm right. It's just what I would argue on this protest. I've got my lawyer hat on, instead of my six stitch combo. Bring it counselor!

Has Marv spoken about this incident yet? Have any of you groupies talked to him?

I don't know him, but I think he might have thought for a sec, brain cramp, that it was a force play at 1st base. I think if it happens at 2nd and not 1st he is ok. Sometimes guys get screwed up with time plays at 1st.