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[GarthB]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

if we were on the field, I'm sure we'd agree on much of what's being talked about here.

Certanly not if he called a balk to second.

Originally Posted by GarthB

That explains your ideas of English.

Balk to first. Let's stay consistent with usage Mr. Logic.

You asked - I am staying consistent. You just fail to see it.

[GarthB]

It always seems as if the guys who use "Big" in the nom de plumes are compensating.

No matter.

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[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by BigGuy

You asked - I am staying consistent. You just fail to see it.

You may be being consistent with yourself. I think he's asking you to use words in the same way that other people mean them, and not looking for ways that their words could be twisted. Stay consistent WITH EVERYONE ELSE in your language, and we'll all be better off.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

You may be being consistent with yourself. I think he's asking you to use words in the same way that other people mean them, and not looking for ways that their words could be twisted. Stay consistent WITH EVERYONE ELSE in your language, and we'll all be better off.

Give the man cigar.

We all use different vocabularies in our lives. We have them for work, school, social interactions, hobbies. It is these agreed upon vocabularies that allow for meaningful communication.

Originally Posted by mcrowder

You may be being consistent with yourself. I think he's asking you to use words in the same way that other people mean them, and not looking for ways that their words could be twisted. Stay consistent WITH EVERYONE ELSE in your language, and we'll all be better off.

I was being consistent. He asked about my "twisted logic" I used an analogy using the words walk and bunt. I explained about no balk to first - tell me what is so inconsistent about explaining my logic. My whole premise on this was that Tim C made a statement, that he assumed that everyone reading the posts would interpret what he said in the same manner. If everybody did there would be no discussion forum, because we would all know and interpret the rules the same.

I've been criticized because I've made statements that not everybody saw the same thing as I did, or I oversimplified. Tim C did the same thing and I pointed it out, and I'm the one getting criticized. I would be happy to be consistent with everyone else. However, everyone else isn't always consistent! For example, new umpires, coaches, managers, umpires at different levels.

[RPatrino]

I'm not a chemical engineer, but I know the smell of bad gas when I hear it!! It is impossible to balk to second base. Give it up!!

[Tim C]

Let's make this easy.

Place a rujnner at second base ONLY.

Now, please you give me an example of a balk to second base.

Tick, tick, tick . . .

Regards,

[DG]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Let's make this easy.

Place a runner at second base ONLY.

Now, please you give me an example of a balk to second base.

Tick, tick, tick . . .

Regards,

I am not defending Big Guy, just commenting on the question.

RHP initiates the stretch and comes set, and without moving his feet separates his right hand from the glove and makes a throw to F4 covering at 2B.

I have never seen it, but it would be a balk and the only balk I can think of to second base.

[Tim C]

I think the example I gave above is at least somewhat along your lines.

The play as you descibed is not a balk to second base. It is a balk for failing to complete the pitch to the plate. As soon as you separated and did not pitch I call "Balk" (in FED) and penalize from there. I do not care where the ball went.

Regards,

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Let's make this easy.

Place a rujnner at second base ONLY.

Now, please you give me an example of a balk to second base.

Tick, tick, tick . . .

Regards,

Wrong setup. Instead, place runners at 1B and 3B. The pitcher comes set, pivots and steps directly towards 2B.

He just balked, the rule is 8.05(d), and "he balked to 2B" is a completely accurate description of that play, as most English speaking people use and comprehend words.

[DG]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I think the example I gave above is at least somewhat along your lines.

The play as you descibed is not a balk to second base. It is a balk for failing to complete the pitch to the plate. As soon as you separated and did not pitch I call "Balk" (in FED) and penalize from there. I do not care where the ball went.

Regards,

I think it would be a balk for failing to step directly to the base you are throwing to for a pickoff. It is impossible to throw the ball to any base without separating your hands, thus separating your hands for the purpose of a pickoff is not a balk.

With your logic there are no balks to any base, the pitcher did something wrong and it doesn't matter where the ball went.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Some people are just in love with the saying, "IIITBTSB."

[Tim C]

And some people are just in love with saying "I could have been a major league umpire."

Frankly I'll stick with IIITBTSB.

Regards,