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tmckeon Sun Mar 25, 2007 07:16pm

Does run score?
 
I believe that I already know the answer, however, would like some input. Situation is bases loaded with two outs. Batter hits the ball into right field. The ball lands, the right-fielder picks it up and throws to second base before the runner from first reaches the base. The runner is called out due to the force, however, the umpire told me that the run scores due to the fact that the ball was hit into the outfiield. Therefore nulifying it as a normal force out. Unless the rules have changed, I believe that the run should not score. Any input would be appreciated, and any specific rule from the book would be helpful in my case. We did win 8-7 in the bottom of the sixth. Little league Minor division 9-11 year olds.

Thanks

LMan Sun Mar 25, 2007 07:21pm

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Originally Posted by tmckeon
the umpire told me that the run scores due to the fact that the ball was hit into the outfiield.


:rolleyes: Sorry for your trouble, coach. Actually, its because it was a rising fastball.

UmpJM Sun Mar 25, 2007 07:22pm

tmckeon,

The run does NOT score. 4.09(a) Exception (2).

The umpire is making stuff up, which, by rule, is a right reserved for coaches.

JM

Rich Ives Sun Mar 25, 2007 07:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmckeon
I believe that I already know the answer, however, would like some input. Situation is bases loaded with two outs. Batter hits the ball into right field. The ball lands, the right-fielder picks it up and throws to second base before the runner from first reaches the base. The runner is called out due to the force, however, the umpire told me that the run scores due to the fact that the ball was hit into the outfiield. Therefore nulifying it as a normal force out. Unless the rules have changed, I believe that the run should not score. Any input would be appreciated, and any specific rule from the book would be helpful in my case. We did win 8-7 in the bottom of the sixth. Little league Minor division 9-11 year olds.

Thanks


You are correct.

2.00 A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses the right to occupy a base by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

4.09 -- HOW A TEAM SCORES
(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three players are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter runner before touching first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because that runner failed to touch one of the bases (appeal play).



Note the lack of any exceptions for a ball hit to the outfield.

Rich Ives Sun Mar 25, 2007 07:26pm

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Originally Posted by boyinblue24
LL rule says that the run DOES count if runner touches home before third out.

Not on this planet.

LMan Sun Mar 25, 2007 07:27pm

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Originally Posted by boyinblue24
LL rule says that the run DOES NOT count if runner touches home before third out. 4.09 (A)


:D ........
oh, those pesky exceptions.

LMan Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:36pm

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Originally Posted by boyinblue24
LL rule says that the run DOES NOT count if runner touches home before third out. 4.09 (A)


I don't see any correction.

ozzy6900 Mon Mar 26, 2007 05:12am

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Originally Posted by boyinblue24
Sorry I made a typo PWL!!! I'll be sure to slow down just for you.

PWL is not complaining about your "typo" - he's complaining because you are quoting the Wrong Rule! Go back and read Rich Ives' post, then go back and study your rule book - again!

The situation was an out recorded on a Force Play! You are amazing - you worry more about a throatgard on an HSM but you don't know the most basic of the rules! You better get it straight before you walk on the field, boyinblue!

mcrowder Mon Mar 26, 2007 02:17pm

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Originally Posted by boyinblue24
Sorry I made a typo PWL!!! I'll be sure to slow down just for you.

Truly ... you should slow down for yourself.

mcrowder Mon Mar 26, 2007 02:17pm

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900
PWL is not complaining about your "typo" - he's complaining because you are quoting the Wrong Rule! Go back and read Rich Ives' post, then go back and study your rule book - again!

The situation was an out recorded on a Force Play! You are amazing - you worry more about a throatgard on an HSM but you don't know the most basic of the rules! You better get it straight before you walk on the field, boyinblue!

No Ozzy, blueboy is still maintaining the fallacy that he is not Dan. We may know better, but we should still live the illusion.


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