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Old Wed Aug 02, 2006, 05:24pm
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Thanks for that info guys, but what is the rule? Is he safe or out on an actual tie?
I'd scream TIE!

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Old Wed Aug 02, 2006, 08:05pm
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Tie goes to the umpire, not the runner - OUT!
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I need to know when the ball and the runner touch the base at the same time, what is the call? Thank you

Out.

Foot did not beat the throw = runner out.
Foot beats throw = runner safe.

It really IS that simple.
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Old Wed Aug 02, 2006, 11:41pm
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Ties do not exist.
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Old Thu Aug 03, 2006, 04:01am
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Talking OUT, again

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Ties do not exist.
Ties exist at the beginning of every game, 0-0.
Ump could be right or wrong or have NO clue about Safe or Out call.
Coaches cannot argue for a TIE.
The ties must be broken before the game ends.
Ties may then exist as a result of a ballgame, check league standings.

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Old Thu Aug 03, 2006, 08:34pm
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Out.

Foot did not beat the throw = runner out.
Foot beats throw = runner safe.

It really IS that simple.
Tie-Throw and foot arrive at same time...If that is the case, then the foot did not beat the throw...out...
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Old Thu Aug 03, 2006, 11:07am
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I need to know when the ball and the runner touch the base at the same time, what is the call? Thank you


As others have mentioned to you, the answer is not in the rule book. You received excellent responses and I will add this.

There is certain criteria that some umpires adhere to concerning so called "TIES" or what's more commonly referred to in the umpire world as "Coin Flip" calls.

Example: Ground ball deep in the hole, F6 makes a great play and fires to first. The Call is a "coin flip" so in this instance some umpires will give benefit of doubt to the defense for a great play and rule out.

Another example; Same ground ball to F6, B1 is busting it out of the box, and F6 is taking his/her "sweet time" and turns what should be a routine out into a "coin flip". Since the runner was "busting it" even on a routine play, in that instance some umpires will rule safe.

In a nutshell, there is no clear cut answer. I do not know if this "theory" is still adhered to but I heard that some umpires make the call dependent upon where B1's body is at the time ball and runner arrive at approximately the same time.

In other words if B1's foot hit the bag at approximately the same time as the ball but his body was still in front of first base as opposed to after it, the call would be out and vice versa.

Perhaps there should be a "possession arrow" in baseball similiar to college basketball, meaning if the call is that close we have alternating calls. Out then safe depending upon the "out/safe arrow".

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Old Thu Aug 03, 2006, 11:21am
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Perhaps there should be a "possession arrow" in baseball similiar to college basketball, meaning if the call is that close we have alternating calls. Out then safe depending upon the "out/safe arrow".
Perhaps they should just make it a "Jump Ball" like the NBA. That would be fun to watch.
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Old Thu Aug 03, 2006, 11:56am
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There was one in the minors a couple of years ago.
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Old Thu Aug 03, 2006, 12:05pm
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I suggest the runner and F3 play "Rock-Paper-Scissors". Best 2 of 3 gets the base
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Old Thu Aug 03, 2006, 12:32pm
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Do Overs

I believe there are three examples of "do overs" that are accepted in baseball:

"An inning must start with all players in the field of play (catcher in catcher's box) so if you have a couple of pitches, even a base hit, and then notice F9 has been in the restroom and not on the field you "do over" from the start of the inning."

"After a dead ball the defensive team tries a hidden ball trick. The plate umpire dose not notice that the pitcher did not have the ball when he put the ball back intous the ball was never legally in put into play."

"Batter hits the catcher's glove on his back swing . . . umpire can call a "do over" to reach equality."

Are there more "do overs" I am missing?

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