Tie goes to runner?

[PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by steve friendly

I need to know when the ball and the runner touch the base at the same time, what is the call? Thank you

As others have mentioned to you, the answer is not in the rule book. You received excellent responses and I will add this.

There is certain criteria that some umpires adhere to concerning so called "TIES" or what's more commonly referred to in the umpire world as "Coin Flip" calls.

Example: Ground ball deep in the hole, F6 makes a great play and fires to first. The Call is a "coin flip" so in this instance some umpires will give benefit of doubt to the defense for a great play and rule out.

Another example; Same ground ball to F6, B1 is busting it out of the box, and F6 is taking his/her "sweet time" and turns what should be a routine out into a "coin flip". Since the runner was "busting it" even on a routine play, in that instance some umpires will rule safe.

In a nutshell, there is no clear cut answer. I do not know if this "theory" is still adhered to but I heard that some umpires make the call dependent upon where B1's body is at the time ball and runner arrive at approximately the same time.

In other words if B1's foot hit the bag at approximately the same time as the ball but his body was still in front of first base as opposed to after it, the call would be out and vice versa.

Perhaps there should be a "possession arrow" in baseball similiar to college basketball, meaning if the call is that close we have alternating calls. Out then safe depending upon the "out/safe arrow".

Pete Booth

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

Perhaps there should be a "possession arrow" in baseball similiar to college basketball, meaning if the call is that close we have alternating calls. Out then safe depending upon the "out/safe arrow".

Perhaps they should just make it a "Jump Ball" like the NBA. That would be fun to watch.

[3appleshigh]

There was one in the minors a couple of years ago.

[LMan]

I suggest the runner and F3 play "Rock-Paper-Scissors". Best 2 of 3 gets the base

[Tim C]

I believe there are three examples of "do overs" that are accepted in baseball:

"An inning must start with all players in the field of play (catcher in catcher's box) so if you have a couple of pitches, even a base hit, and then notice F9 has been in the restroom and not on the field you "do over" from the start of the inning."

"After a dead ball the defensive team tries a hidden ball trick. The plate umpire dose not notice that the pitcher did not have the ball when he put the ball back intous the ball was never legally in put into play."

"Batter hits the catcher's glove on his back swing . . . umpire can call a "do over" to reach equality."

Are there more "do overs" I am missing?

Regards,

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I believe there are three examples of "do overs" that are accepted in baseball:

"An inning must start with all players in the field of play (catcher in catcher's box) so if you have a couple of pitches, even a base hit, and then notice F9 has been in the restroom and not on the field you "do over" from the start of the inning."

"After a dead ball the defensive team tries a hidden ball trick. The plate umpire dose not notice that the pitcher did not have the ball when he put the ball back intous the ball was never legally in put into play."

"Batter hits the catcher's glove on his back swing . . . umpire can call a "do over" to reach equality."

Are there more "do overs" I am missing?

Regards,

The most common...batter backs out of the box without getting time called and the pitcher "balks." Start from scratch...."do over."

[SAump]

Originally Posted by GarthB

The most common...batter backs out of the box without getting time called and the pitcher "balks." Start from scratch...."do over."

Glad to see that come about a few years ago. The balk call created some bass-ackward moments. They got one right here, from my perspective.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by PWL

Posters seems to refer to back swing as follow through. I take back swing to supposedly mean when the batter pulls the bat back as in a golf swing.

Would anyone please care to add more to the definition of "back swing"?

The backswing. A LL batter prepares to bunt the next pitch. The pitch is thrown right down the pipe. The batter decides to watch the pitch in to the mitt and pulls the bat back. The umpire rings it up as a strike. The clever mom yells that her son never made an attempt to bunt the pitch. Ump chuckles.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PWL

Posters seems to refer to back swing as follow through. I take back swing to supposedly mean when the batter pulls the bat back as in a golf swing.

Would anyone please care to add more to the definition of "back swing"?

That's because OBR 6.06(c) CMT uses "backswing" to mean "follow through."

Sometimes the poster's meaning can be derived from context; sometimes clarification is needed.

[ctblu40]

Tie goes to the runner? First of all, there is no tie. Secondly, it's my judgement as to safe or out. If the runner has not touched the next base on a force before he or the base is tagged, he is out... it's that simple.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

Tie goes to the runner? First of all, there is no tie. Secondly, it's my judgement as to safe or out. If the runner has not touched the next base on a force before he or the base is tagged, he is out... it's that simple.

This just in.....Horse Remains Deceased! Please discontinue beating it.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

This just in.....Horse Remains Deceased! Please discontinue beating it.

I'll keep beating it until I see the official SD Steve cartoon to initiate the cease-beating!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

I'll keep beating it until I see the official SD Steve cartoon to initiate the cease-beating!

CEASE BEATING!

[ctblu40]

LMAO.... that one is classic!

[BBUMP99]

Originally Posted by Rcichon

Out.

Foot did not beat the throw = runner out.
Foot beats throw = runner safe.

It really IS that simple.

Tie-Throw and foot arrive at same time...If that is the case, then the foot did not beat the throw...out...