Tournament Ejection Penalty?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

PWL - I must have misunderstood your post.

Who.......?

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Disagreeing with me? Poor choice, very poor choice.



I agree to a certain extent. If I suspect an ineligible player, I would do as you say.

However, what if i know a player is ineligible, I should just let the cheaters play on?

If I KNOW a coach is breaking the rules and I do nothing then I am his accomplice.

Joe

Let me answer that THIS way - you should not KNOW anything at all along these lines. You should not be involved at all in the determination of who can and cannot play. Even if you were the one that ejected said player, each game is a new game - and whatever maneuverings are going on with rosters and eligibility outside the park are truly none of our business. Just call the game - let the administrators deal with administration.

[TussAgee11]

Excuse me, PDX.

I knew somethign was wrong when I thought I was agreeing with PWL.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Let me answer that THIS way - you should not KNOW anything at all along these lines. You should not be involved at all in the determination of who can and cannot play. Even if you were the one that ejected said player, each game is a new game - and whatever maneuverings are going on with rosters and eligibility outside the park are truly none of our business. Just call the game - let the administrators deal with administration.

Well, I KNOW(for instance) that LL requires a one game suspension after any ejection. If I eject a kid on the last game Thursday night and see him in uniform for the first game on Friday morning, then I would be helping him and his coach break the rules if I did nothing and let him play.

I would handle it this way: I arrive at the field with my partner(s) I see #17 in uniform. I tell the tournament director BEFORE the meeting at home plate and have HIM deal with it now so that it is not my problem later.

Joe

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Also I forgot, its in the book where a manager can have a replacement; but the DA is not allowing replacements is my understanding. Not 100% on that one this year.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Well, I KNOW(for instance) that LL requires a one game suspension after any ejection. If I eject a kid on the last game Thursday night and see him in uniform and on the line up card for the first game on Friday morning, then I would be helping him and his coach break the rules if I did nothing and let him play.

I would handle it this way: I arrive at the field with my partner(s) I see #17 in uniform. I tell the tournament director BEFORE the meeting at home plate and have HIM deal with it now so that it is not my problem later.

Joe

Even then, keep your nose out of it.

Let me say it this way, perhaps...

Field one, Thursday night, you're working and you toss player #17.
Field two, Thursday night, Billy Bob's working and tosses player #18 on that field.

Next day - you have the Friday morning game with the same team as Thursday night. I have the Friday morning game with the team Billy Bob ejected a guy on.

Both managers are dishonest and try to play their ejected players, and TD doesn't catch it. You catch yours and help the manager avoid cheating. I, of course, don't catch mine, as I was not there Thursday night. My manager cheats, the game is protested, and my manager loses for cheating, as he should.

You've just saved a dishonest coach from a well-deserved forfeit, where mine got what he deserved. Is your method better or worse?

Or the converse - in both sitches, after Thursday's games, the player was legally reinstated for whatever reason W'Port or the TD decides is legit. But the same TD is not there in the morning, and you either don't let your kid play or cause a huge unnecessary ruckus because of something you THINK you know.

This is not like a sitch in LL where we try to keep an ineligible pitcher from inadvertently being sent to the mound - this is a coach trying to cheat plain and simple. Our job as umpires is to officiate the game. I reiterate - it is NOT to handle administrative duties like player eligibility.