Tournament Ejection Penalty?

[Blue37]

I was working a tournament (14u) earlier this summer and a player was ejected. The Tournament Director reported the ejection to the District Director and was told any ejection resulted in an automatic disqualification for the remainder of the tournament.

They played again the next afternoon. The disqualified player was there, but was in street clothes. During the top of the first inning, the Tournament Director received a phone call from the District Director stating the previous ruling was incorrect and the player could participate in the tournament. The opposing coach protested and the State Director was contacted. The State Director ruled in favor of the District Director. The player suited up and played the rest of the game (they lost and were eliminated).

This was a Dixie tournament. How are situations like this handled in other organizations? Are there automatic additional penalties (suspensions/disqualifications) for ejections? One game? Remainder of the tournament? Are additional penalties handled on a case-by-case basis?

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Im not 100% but I know LL coaches have to sit out the next game and there is no replacement for them. Not sure about players

[pdxblue]

Why would you care how it is handled?

I take the lineup from the coach. I let play whoever he puts in. If he played an "disqualified" player (who I didn't eject in THAT game), that is the coaches/players/tournament directors problem to deal with. I don't care one way or another.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by pdxblue

Why would you care how it is handled?

I take the lineup from the coach. I let play whoever he puts in. If he played an "disqualified" player (who I didn't eject in THAT game), that is the coaches/players/tournament directors problem to deal with. I don't care one way or another.

I understand your opinion here.

BUT, if I KNOW a player is ineligible, I am going to nip it in the bud. I would MUCH rather have the tournament director deal with an ineligible player BEFORE the game begins so that I don't have to be involved in cleaning up the bag full of crap that would ensue if he does play.

Joe

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

Im not 100% but I know LL coaches have to sit out the next game and there is no replacement for them. Not sure about players

LL players also have to sit another game.

In HS ball(at least in Michigan) the coac is done for the day AND the next DAY. I once ejected a coach in game one of a tournament...heh heh heh....five game ejection. I think a player gets the rest of today and the next game instead of the next game.

I have never heard of a tournament that did not at least suspend a player for an extra game after an ejection.

Joe

[Hock9]

This is an admittedly personal opinion, and should by no means be construed as any kind of an official rule: some kid, U14 or thereabouts, who gets booted out of a game should be prohibited from playing in at least the next game (possibly more depending upon the nature of the ejection). If the coaches and parents can't teach the kids that they need to behave, then I guess the tournament committee needs to.

[TussAgee11]

PDX - don't you have a problem when they insert somebody that was not on the original lineup card? If they didn't write his name down to start, I doubt any DA or TD would let them play, much less an umpire.

[pdxblue]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

PDX - don't you have a problem when they insert somebody that was not on the original lineup card? If they didn't write his name down to start, I doubt any DA or TD would let them play, much less an umpire.

Re-read my post.

If the name is on the roster he gives me, I will let them play. Any coach who will put a disqualified player on his roster then play him deserves to forfeit the game if it is appealed later.

BUT, none of that is MY concern!!! I have other more importand things to deal with on the field than to follow who is disqualified and who isn't.

[DG]

Originally Posted by Blue37

I was working a tournament (14u) earlier this summer and a player was ejected. The Tournament Director reported the ejection to the District Director and was told any ejection resulted in an automatic disqualification for the remainder of the tournament.

They played again the next afternoon. The disqualified player was there, but was in street clothes. During the top of the first inning, the Tournament Director received a phone call from the District Director stating the previous ruling was incorrect and the player could participate in the tournament. The opposing coach protested and the State Director was contacted. The State Director ruled in favor of the District Director. The player suited up and played the rest of the game (they lost and were eliminated).

This was a Dixie tournament. How are situations like this handled in other organizations? Are there automatic additional penalties (suspensions/disqualifications) for ejections? One game? Remainder of the tournament? Are additional penalties handled on a case-by-case basis?

Not aware of any such rule in Babe Ruth baseball. One game suspension is just that. And if I was District Director I would not be pleased with the TD going over my head, who I have not doubt already discussed with if I was sure of the ruling. If I was coach of the player I would have appealed the ruling when it was provided to me, well ahead of the starting lineup being provided at game time.

[BigUmp56]

I work American Legion tournaments where any participant whose been ejected is done for the remainder of the tournament unless the TD decides to re-instate the player. This is the wording found in the AML rule book, and I have to say I think it's bu11$h1t that a TD has the authority to reinstate an ejected player.

Any player who, in the judgment of the umpire, maliciously runs into another player is automatically ejected and is declared out. The American Legion is concerned that some coaches may not have explained to their players that malicious contact is illegal. The majority of intentional collisions occur at home plate where the catcher is blocking the plate. Runners should be instructed to slide directly to the plate, or away from the catcher, to avoid making contact with the catcher, especially when the defender is in possession of the ball. Umpires have been instructed that, if there is any intentional and excessive force or if there is any intent to injure another player, the offending player shall be ejected from the game. The malicious contact penalty will be enforced whether committed by an offensive or defensive player. Any player ejected by an umpire is automatically removed from the tournament, unless the Tournament Director reinstates that player.


DG is right as far as Babe Ruth/Cal Ripken is concerned. There is no mandated suspension other than the game from which they were ejected.


LL has a one game mandatory suspension for an ejection.



Tim.