Ozzie Guillen's so-called apology

[lawump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Nobody gets upset at that word if they are truly gay.

I'd say that's terribly uninformed as a gay man (leader of some local gay pride/rights chapter) was on WGN news last night saying he and many of his friends were offended. (Although, I don't know if he was "truly" gay).

While I myself can't speak on this as a gay man (being happily married to a beautiful GRIT (girl raised in the south) with two kids), my wife and I have several gay friends who would be offended by being called a "fag".

I am glad, however, that you can speak for the entire gay community.

As an aside (and I admit my memory may be fuzzy...so I could be wrong) but didn't you a month or two ago take a poster to task for making a comment derogatory about overweight people or overweight umpires? (I admit my memory may be wrong). Just wondering.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by lawump

I'd say that's terribly uninformed as a gay man (leader of some local gay pride/rights chapter) was on WGN news last night saying he and many of his friends were offended. (Although, I don't know if he was "truly" gay).

While I myself can't speak on this as a gay man (being happily married to a beautiful GRIT (girl raised in the south) with two kids), my wife and I have several gay friends who would be offended by being called a "fag".

I am glad, however, that you can speak for the entire gay community.

As an aside (and I admit my memory may be fuzzy...so I could be wrong) but didn't you a month or two ago take a poster to task for making a comment derogatory about overweight people or overweight umpires? (I admit my memory may be wrong). Just wondering.

Well let's just say I have known many gay people in my years as a taxi driver in San Diego, as taxis are the preferred form of transportation to and from the many gay bars in the area. I know many personally, and have had many a carload of them, and trust me, the only reason they would be offended is for political purposes. In their real lives, they call each other every kind of name imaginable, and laugh their a$$es off about it. I am quite sure I know many more gay people than you do, so yes, I feel like somewhat of an authority.

Ever heard of Act Up? The militant gay political organization? Their slogan is "we're here, we're queer, and we're in your face!" Does this sound like people who are upset by the word fag?

All groups get offended all of a sudden when it gives them a political platform.

Yes, I got pissed when derogatory comments were made about fat people, because it is socially acceptable to make fun of fat people. You can't make racial or sexual slurs, but apparently it's always open season on fatties. Fat folks are constantly the butt of jokes. You don't hear too many people publicly telling gay or black jokes when gay or black people are right in front of them, but you can bash fat people right to their face. You can poke fun at them, and laugh your butt off about them while they are standing right there!

Just look at the mock outrage about Guillen's remarks. Do you think if he had called Mariotti "fat" that anyone would have gotten upset? Do you see the difference now?

So, I repeat....Ozzie owes the apology to Jay Mariotti, not the gay community. It was Mariotti who should feel offended.

[orioles35]

Is Guillen so desperate for attention that he continues to have to make outrageous comments in the press like this? This is almost as bad as the crap spewing out of the mouths of the Dixie Chicks.

[SCUMP]

is this a political forum there orioles35??????

BASEBALL...HOTDOGS......AND APPLE PIE......AND POLITICS????

[LMan]

In America, the only Unpardonable Sin (tm) is losing.

[gsf23]

During his apology, Guillen said that he had nothing against gay people and that he had gay friends, went to WNBA games and has gone to a Madonna concert.

I heard that on my way to work and I had to pull the car over I was laughing so hard.

[BigUmp56]

I wonder what Guillen would say if Marriotti called him a "dirty spic."



Tim.

[UmpJM]

Tim,

I would guess Ozzie would laugh.

Now, he should not have called Marriotti a "fag" - because he isn't. Besides, it's kind of insulting to British cigarettes. He should have called him a "spineless prick hack" - because he is.

As to your surprise regarding Mr. Reinsdorf's failure to publicly reprimand Ozzie, I can only assume you were unaware that Jerry absolutely detests Jay Marriotti - not without reason. I'm guessing that Jerry is secretly giving Ozzie a bonus that is at least double whatever the amount he was fined by MLB.

Of course, the absolutely "priceless" aspect of the whole situation is that Messrs. Selig and Watson have sentenced Ozzie to - get this - "sensitivity training"!! No, I am NOT making this up! You CAN'T make up stuff this good. Never realized Bud had a sense of humor.

JMO.

JM

[LMan]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

Of course, the absolutely "priceless" aspect of the whole situation is that Messrs. Selig and Watson have sentenced Ozzie to - get this - "sensitivity training"!!

I would love to watch that 'reality series' on Fox

[lawump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I am quite sure I know many more gay people than you do, so yes, I feel like somewhat of an authority.

That's quite an assumption considering you have never met me. LOL. I don't know how many gay people you "know"...but then you don't know how many I "know". I'm also guessing that I get to know my gay clients better than you get to know the gay men in the backseat of your taxi cab.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

All groups get offended all of a sudden when it gives them a political platform.

I don't think the man interviewed on WGN was looking for a political platform. His comments were limited to the Ozzy situation. He didn't make some big political statement about how gays are mistreated all the time in Chicago/Illinois and/or USA.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, I got pissed when derogatory comments were made about fat people, because it is socially acceptable to make fun of fat people.

It is not socially acceptable in many places that I go. For instance, do it in my work place and you'll be fired. Am I suggesting that calling someone "fat" is as unacceptable in our society as using the "n-word"....no, I'm not. Should it be...yeah.

And as for this argument that they call each other "queen", "queer", "fag" and "gay", so that they can't be offended when someone else does: I know many African-Americans who call each other the "n-word" in their social circles...that does not mean that they're telling me or any of my lilly-white relatives that they wouldn't be offended if I called them that. I think the context is highly relevant.

But, again, I just find it humorous that you have the ability to state as fact that all gay men are not offended by Ozzy's comments...because if they are offended they aren't really gay, or they're just acting offended to make a political statement.

And again I think its quite a double standard that you can state that calling someone "fat" is unacceptable, but calling someone what Ozzy did is o.k.

I'm guessing you're offended at "fat" because you are overweight (for whatever reason...medical condition, etc.)...and I'm just guessing that if you were gay, too, you would have been offended at Ozzy's comments.

Personally, I'm not overweight, nor am I gay...but I'd be uncomfortable being in the presence of a person saying either slur/put-down. And I'd take it as an insult to my overweight and/or gay friends.

[SanDiegoSteve]

I had a long post made in rebuttal to yours, but I deleted it. This is not the proper forum for this type of argument. I stand by my statements, and you are free to do the same.

Ozzie offended Jay Mariotti, and that is to whom he owes an apology, not the gay community. I don't wish to elaborate any further, or this will turn into a discussion about sexual preference and moral values. If it does continue, I'll just delete the whole thread, as it is supposed to be about Ozzie Guillen's half-hearted apology to no one in particular, and to whom I feel it should have been directed.

[lawump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

. I stand by my statements, and you are free to do the same.

Then "stand by" you and I shall both do.

[3appleshigh]

OUT of SHEER DEVIL'S ADVOCATE Couriosity,

Shouldn't the Gay community really be more upset that the writer found the comment offensive (if he did) than that the Comment was made??

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

OUT of SHEER DEVIL'S ADVOCATE Couriosity,

Shouldn't the Gay community really be more upset that the writer found the comment offensive (if he did) than that the Comment was made??

Well, probably because most people are not gay, and the majority of those people think that homosexuality is sinful. Being referred to as gay is offensive to the majority of heterosexuals, and has nothing to do with homophobia, a word that was invented by the far-left to excuse homosexual behavior, and to attempt to normalize it.

"Not that there's anything wrong with it." - Jerry, Elaine, Cosmo, and George