Bad Form, MiLB umpires should have more Class

[kraine27]

If a "Scab" umpire didn't earn his job, then how is it that once a AMLU guy is not asked back another year, that he "Earns" his position in College Level games?

I find this really interesting, especially since, in my area, we have a AA guy who is taking all kinds of NAIA and Div II NCAA games and making mistakes all over the place. Not only does he have questionable judgement, he also misapplies rules. To boot, he is an instructor at a pro school!

I personally know Div I college guys who are much better umpires than he is and as soon as he is not asked back to minor league ball, the college guys will be out of a job. Did the AMLU guy earn his position?

Now then, let me state for the record that I have not attended umpire school, nor do I desire to attend. I currently call the JUCO, NAIA and DivII NCAA level on a consistant basis and am very happy to be where I am. With this in mind, is it not me that should be more upset about the AMLU guys takign my games? I can guarantee you I have earned my position.

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by kraine27

If a "Scab" umpire didn't earn his job, then how is it that once a AMLU guy is not asked back another year, that he "Earns" his position in College Level games?

I find this really interesting, especially since, in my area, we have a AA guy who is taking all kinds of NAIA and Div II NCAA games and making mistakes all over the place. Not only does he have questionable judgement, he also misapplies rules. To boot, he is an instructor at a pro school!

I personally know Div I college guys who are much better umpires than he is and as soon as he is not asked back to minor league ball, the college guys will be out of a job. Did the AMLU guy earn his position?

Now then, let me state for the record that I have not attended umpire school, nor do I desire to attend. I currently call the JUCO, NAIA and DivII NCAA level on a consistant basis and am very happy to be where I am. With this in mind, is it not me that should be more upset about the AMLU guys takign my games? I can guarantee you I have earned my position.

Have you asked your assignor why he would chose a guy with professional experience and training over one who states "(I)...am very happy to be where I am." and "...I have not attended umpire school, nor do I desire to attend." ? What did you do to "earn" your college games that an ex- MiLB umpire hasn't?

[BigUmp56]

I just read that Dave Yeast has crossed the picket line in Indianapolis. WTF if that all about?


Tim.

[MrB]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I just read that Dave Yeast has crossed the picket line in Indianapolis. WTF if that all about?


Tim.

Tim,

Like everyone in this situation he probably did what he judged to be best for him. Right? Wrong? I don't know and can't judge, but he did and looks like he thought it was best for him.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by MrB

Tim,

Like everyone in this situation he probably did what he judged to be best for him. Right? Wrong? I don't know and can't judge, but he did and looks like he thought it was best for him.

It's nice to see Dave has the time to skip his evals and observations of NCAA guys to work minor league ball. It would seem apparent to me that his services to the NCAA aren't all that important after all.

[Thatballzlow]

I'm not going to quote any sources, but I think something the AMLU should remember is simply put:

You do have the right to strike. MiLB has the right to replace you now. Since there is no longer any contract in place, striking is an option, but they can permanently replace all AMLU umpires with whomever they choose. If there isn't much more of an uproar than we've been hearing lately, they just might do that.

Remember, I'm not just saying this to hear myself think...I'm a former AMLU guy also. Just be careful what path Andy Roberts is taking you down.

thatballzlow

[MrB]

Well said.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I just read that Dave Yeast has crossed the picket line in Indianapolis. WTF if that all about?


Tim.

Whoa!

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I just read that Dave Yeast has crossed the picket line in Indianapolis. WTF if that all about?


Tim.

No better an illustration of what a scab really is. He stands nothing to gain (and in his case, alot to loose) but chooses to become a part of a situation that doesn't involve him, stabbing other men in the back by doing so. He has proven a man of no integrity and low character time and time again, this just puts an exclamation point at the end of the sentence.

[Thatballzlow]

Yes, Mr. Yeast did work in Indianapolis, in fact, there is a photo on the AMLU website. He crossed the picket line in the MLB strike years ago, so it really shouldn't be a surprise that he did it here. I won't criticize him. He has experienced crossing before, so he knows what he's getting into. The bad part is he isn't a bad umpire at all, but he has no friends in professional baseball. Now, is he crying about that...probably not.

I've gotten mixed signals from my contacts in and out of pro ball in the past few days about college associations. The ECAC supervisor has told his guys that this may be their opportunity to get to the major leagues. The only fear I have in that rationale is that the guys who are in charge of supervising MLB umpires, i.e., the guys who hire you to work in MLB are all the old union guys from the Richie Phillips era...Richie Garcia, Frank Pulli, Palermo, Rieker...so tell me do you think this may be the shot at the big leagues? I've heard these guys talk in the past, and they're STILL loyal to Phillips, even though he cost them their jobs.

Thoughts?

[MrB]

I think that your assessment is a very good one. Anyone that works, no matter how good they are, needs to realize that they are just going to work until this gets settled one way or the other, but big league dreams? probably not!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Thatballzlow

Yes, Mr. Yeast did work in Indianapolis, in fact, there is a photo on the AMLU website. He crossed the picket line in the MLB strike years ago, so it really shouldn't be a surprise that he did it here. I won't criticize him. He has experienced crossing before, so he knows what he's getting into. The bad part is he isn't a bad umpire at all, but he has no friends in professional baseball. Now, is he crying about that...probably not.

I've gotten mixed signals from my contacts in and out of pro ball in the past few days about college associations. The ECAC supervisor has told his guys that this may be their opportunity to get to the major leagues. The only fear I have in that rationale is that the guys who are in charge of supervising MLB umpires, i.e., the guys who hire you to work in MLB are all the old union guys from the Richie Phillips era...Richie Garcia, Frank Pulli, Palermo, Rieker...so tell me do you think this may be the shot at the big leagues? I've heard these guys talk in the past, and they're STILL loyal to Phillips, even though he cost them their jobs.

Thoughts?

Yes. I do not think that these "replacement" umpires believe for one minute that they have a chance in hell of ever seeing the Show. That sounds like somebody blowing smoke up their rear ends.

As far as the people who are crossing the picket lines, here it is:

These games are going to be played, and umpires are going to work them. The only people using harsh rhetoric like the word 'scab' are the union backers. The majority of the people in the U.S. are non-union people. Many of them are extremely anti-union as well. They see nothing wrong with crossing an imaginery line made up by people with strong beliefs of the opposite kind.

Guys like BigUmp56 (who, God bless him, is admittedly my buddy) and JIGGY are die-hard union folks, who see the replacements as 'scabs.' The rest of the world does not see it exactly the same way.

[kraine27]

If a guy is a vacation fill-in umpire in the minor leagues is he still a "Scab" if he works the games during a "strike"?

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes. I do not think that these "replacement" umpires believe for one minute that they have a chance in hell of ever seeing the Show. That sounds like somebody blowing smoke up their rear ends.

As far as the people who are crossing the picket lines, here it is:

These games are going to be played, and umpires are going to work them. The only people using harsh rhetoric like the word 'scab' are the union backers. The majority of the people in the U.S. are non-union people. Many of them are extremely anti-union as well. They see nothing wrong with crossing an imaginery line made up by people with strong beliefs of the opposite kind.

Guys like BigUmp56 (who, God bless him, is admittedly my buddy) and JIGGY are die-hard union folks, who see the replacements as 'scabs.' The rest of the world does not see it exactly the same way.

I am not and never have been a "union" person. I have never belonged to a union. I simply don't understand why some people would get involved in a situation that has nothing to do with them and which they stand to gain nothing in the end.

[DG]

I saw a AAA game today, 6-0 final. The game was well offiiciated. Umpires worked 3 man rotation very well. No arguments whatsoever.