NFHS Rules: Twoo outs, bases loaded, uncaught third strike.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

What prompted the start of this thread was I was watching the replay of a VAR baseball game on our cable company's local sports channel and F2 did NOT touch HP while airmaIing his throw over F3's head into Right Field. F9 fielded F2's errant throw and proceeded to throw the ball over F5's head into Dead Ball territory with the runner that had started on 1B between 2B and 3B, and the B/R between 2B and 3B.

I want you all to sit down before reading anyour further. The umpires (2-man crew) huddled and decided that the Batter was out because 1B was occupied!

MTD, Sr.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

What prompted the start of this thread was I was watching the replay of a VAR baseball game on our cable company's local sports channel and F2 did NOT touch HP while airmaIing his throw over F3's head into Right Field. F9 fielded F2's errant throw and proceeded to throw the ball over F5's head into Dead Ball territory with the runner that had started on 1B between 2B and 3B, and the B/R between 2B and 3B.

I want you all to sit down before reading anyour further. The umpires (2-man crew) huddled and decided that the Batter was out because 1B was occupied!

MTD, Sr.

And no protest?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

And no protest?

Most (?) states do not allow protests of HS games.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Most (?) states do not allow protests of HS games.

The OhioHSAA and the MichiganHSAA (the two states that Mark, Jr., are registered in) do not allow protests.

As F2 was attempting to throw the B/R out at 1B the "talking heads" were claiming that the Batter was out because 1B was occupied (what the hell do they know about the rules). The "talking heads" then claimed that the umpires were going to huddle which they did from what I could see and the channel then cut to a commercial. When it came back to the game the "talking heads" said the that the umpires had ruled that the Batter was out. They only way per rule the Batter could be out is if F2 inadvertently stepped on HP before releasing the ball on his throw to F3. The video did not have a good look at whether F2 stepped on or did not step on HP when he made his throw but the umpires allowed the runners run the bases and the fielders make plays on the runners.

I have talked with our assigner and he was going to review the game tape. I told him that I would gladly be corrected if F2 had stepped on HP and the video did not show it.

The irony is that last year the local sports channel showed VAR softball game where the PU awarded the batter 1B after striking out because the pitch hit her while she was swinging at the ball. The bad part was that the sports channel kept its camera and mic on the PU and the defensive coach as the PU told the DC why the batter was being awarded 1B. And our assigner was watching the game on TV.

MTD, Sr.

[MT 73]

Whenever I am the PU and this situation exists I always look for the catcher to step on the plate, even inadvertently.
As someone already states an appeal has to be obvious and intentional but not so with a force out.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

They only way per rule the Batter could be out is if F2 inadvertently stepped on HP before releasing the ball on his throw to F3.

I'm going to give you a minute to think about this sentence and decide whether to delete it or fix it.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm going to give you a minute to think about this sentence and decide whether to delete it or fix it.

I know that you want me to say RLV but in this case the B/R was legal all the way to 1B.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. Mark and I had the team at bat the day before and the it's batters were very well coached in running in the running lane when going to 1B.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I know that you want me to say RLV but in this case the B/R was legal all the way to 1B.

I don't want you to say anything of the sort.

If the catcher touched home ... the BATTER is not the one that's out.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Most (?) states do not allow protests of HS games.

Even a "within the game" protest as opposed to an "up the chain" protest? There's no way to force a look at the rule book?

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Even a "within the game" protest as opposed to an "up the chain" protest? There's no way to force a look at the rule book?

That would be allowed in 10-1-4 and should be addressed. It won't force a look at the rulebook but it should cause two umps together to talk about the rule. Recent communications from my state cause me concern about two umps getting it right. But, in my state the remedy is a rule missaplication report to the state authority. Then if correct, which most are not, the umpire chapter involved deals with correcting the involved umpires. I don't know how that works.

[rcaverly]

Perhaps the BR was ruled out on a RLI violation despite the drivel from the "talking heads."

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by rcaverly

Perhaps the BR was ruled out on a RLI violation despite the drivel from the "talking heads."

This is the same question I have. It very well could have been RLI since Fed does not require a quality throw.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Even a "within the game" protest as opposed to an "up the chain" protest? There's no way to force a look at the rule book?

There's no way to force it, no. No protests here in WI, either.