NFHS Rules: Twoo outs, bases loaded, uncaught third strike.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The title gives the situation.

Question: F2 fields the uncaught third strike and forgets that all he has to do is touch HP for the third out and instead throws to F3 at 1B to retire the B/R who is running to 1B. F2 airmails his throw to F3 into Right Field. During F2's throw to F3 he unknowingly steps on HP while still in possession of the Ball. Do we have a tied out at HP or a Live Ball?

This play did not happen to Mark, Jr. or me but came up during a war story discussion. Mark and I would also like opinions per NCAA and OBR. I am watching Mark umpire right now and really do nor feel like hiking back to the car to check caebook plays but do believe it will make for a good discussion.

Thank you in advance.

MTD, Sr.

[Mbilica]

I would say, yes, the runner coming from 3rd is out. Motive is irrelevant. He stepped on the plate while in possession of the ball and the force play is invoked at that instant. Trying to read motives is a slippery slope anyway... This is the 3rd out and the inning is over.

NFHS 8-4-2-j
The runner is out when he fails to reach the next base before a fielder either tags the runner out or holds the ball while touching such base, after runner has been forced from the base he occupied because the batter became a runner (with ball in play) when other runners were on first base, or on first and second, or on first, second and third. There shall be no accidental appeals on a force play.


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[bob jenkins]

Yes, it's an out. While there are no "accidental appeals" there can be "accidental force outs."

[Mbilica]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, it's an out. While there are no "accidental appeals" there can be "accidental force outs."

Good point

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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

What prompted the start of this thread was I was watching the replay of a VAR baseball game on our cable company's local sports channel and F2 did NOT touch HP while airmaIing his throw over F3's head into Right Field. F9 fielded F2's errant throw and proceeded to throw the ball over F5's head into Dead Ball territory with the runner that had started on 1B between 2B and 3B, and the B/R between 2B and 3B.

I want you all to sit down before reading anyour further. The umpires (2-man crew) huddled and decided that the Batter was out because 1B was occupied!

MTD, Sr.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

What prompted the start of this thread was I was watching the replay of a VAR baseball game on our cable company's local sports channel and F2 did NOT touch HP while airmaIing his throw over F3's head into Right Field. F9 fielded F2's errant throw and proceeded to throw the ball over F5's head into Dead Ball territory with the runner that had started on 1B between 2B and 3B, and the B/R between 2B and 3B.

I want you all to sit down before reading anyour further. The umpires (2-man crew) huddled and decided that the Batter was out because 1B was occupied!

MTD, Sr.

And no protest?