FED coach ejected (only coach)

[bob jenkins]

Some (much) of this would depend on the state.

A parent is unlikely to meet the requirements.

A school administrator might.

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Some (much) of this would depend on the state.

A parent is unlikely to meet the requirements.

A school administrator might.

That seems reasonable. However, if no adult (of any kind) steps forward - would the game be a forfeit or simply suspended? Is there any rule that specifically prohibits the players from continuing without a coach? (Which would probably go smoother)

Again - it's probably a state-by-state issue.

Thanks!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

That seems reasonable. However, if no adult (of any kind) steps forward - would the game be a forfeit or simply suspended? Is there any rule that specifically prohibits the players from continuing without a coach? (Which would probably go smoother)

Again - it's probably a state-by-state issue.

Thanks!

It's very likely that an adult "coach" of some kind is needed. I would suspend and let the league / state deal with the rest of the consequences.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

That seems reasonable. However, if no adult (of any kind) steps forward - would the game be a forfeit or simply suspended? Is there any rule that specifically prohibits the players from continuing without a coach? (Which would probably go smoother)

Again - it's probably a state-by-state issue.

Thanks!

Umpires do not forfeit games. Umpires suspend games. Leagues / TD's forfeit games.

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Umpires do not forfeit games. Umpires suspend games. Leagues / TD's forfeit games.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I imagine there can be some unclear situation that is would cause the umpire to "suspend" the game and allow higher authorities to make a final determination as to whether the game is a forfeit or a suspension.

However, I think there are several, very clear provisions in the rule book by which the umpire can categorically declare a forfeit.

(FED) How about: "A game shall be forfeited to the offended team by the umpire when a team is unable to provide at least nine players to start the game or cannot provide eight players to finish the game"?

or "A game shall be forfeited to the offended team by the umpire when a team willfully and persistently violates any of the rules after being warned by the umpire"?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

I'm not sure I agree with that. I imagine there can be some unclear situation that is would cause the umpire to "suspend" the game and allow higher authorities to make a final determination as to whether the game is a forfeit or a suspension.

However, I think there are several, very clear provisions in the rule book by which the umpire can categorically declare a forfeit.

(FED) How about: "A game shall be forfeited to the offended team by the umpire when a team is unable to provide at least nine players to start the game or cannot provide eight players to finish the game"?

or "A game shall be forfeited to the offended team by the umpire when a team willfully and persistently violates any of the rules after being warned by the umpire"?

Still suspend. Let the league confirm the forfeit.

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by Matt

Still suspend. Let the league confirm the forfeit.

How do you confirm that a team didn't have 9 players to start or couldn't finish with 8? How do you confirm that a team willfully violated the rules? You ask the umpire! ... who was the one that made the observation in the first place.

In our area, the umpires have the authority to declare a forfeit - especially if it's a black and white rule like I've already mentioned. There's nothing to deliberate about.

The only time we hesitate is if a team is having a transportation issue and can't get the required players there on time at game time. We have a local policy that we give them up to 30 minutes from scheduled game time before declaring a forfeit unless the home team coach decides to wave that restriction and give them up to an hour. I've had coaches want to give the visitors more time, preferring to play the game than win on a forfeit.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

How do you confirm that a team didn't have 9 players to start or couldn't finish with 8? How do you confirm that a team willfully violated the rules? You ask the umpire! ... who was the one that made the observation in the first place.

In our area, the umpires have the authority to declare a forfeit - especially if it's a black and white rule like I've already mentioned. There's nothing to deliberate about.

Try forfeiting a game, and then see what happens.

If you suspend it, then the worst thing that happens is that your judgment is upheld. If you forfeit, and you get overruled (and I saw this happen in a fairly well-known league last year on the second example you show,) then you have ****ed yourself.