Offer or Not

[jicecone]

Borderline on the swing but, either way he made it to first and PU did a good job selling the call. Then again I had the pleasure of watching the replay 3 times. PU made a decision and that was that.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JJ

I watched it live and, at the time, my first thought was "no swing". After watching the replay multiple times, I still have no swing. At the time it happened I commented to the folks I was watching with that "the umpire just really screwed up, but he sold it well".
I was taught in umpire school years ago that ultimately we are supposed to judge if the batter actually offered at the pitch. Many years later the NCAA added the caveat of "did the barrel of the bat pass the front hip"? Yes, this is Little League (not pro ball or NCAA), but from my perspective, I still have no swing.

JJ

The one thing that you forgot from umpiring school is to never comment about another umpire's call to a group of non-umpires and therefore do not throw your brother umpire under the bus!

MTD, Sr.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The one thing that you forgot from umpiring school is to never comment about another umpire's call to a group of non-umpires and therefore do not throw your brother umpire under the bus!

MTD, Sr.

Gee, I'm so sorry. I thought we were posting opinions of what we saw. I'll never do it again.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JJ

Gee, I'm so sorry. I thought we were posting opinions of what we saw. I'll never do it again.

You completely missed his point.

He was not calling you out for discussing the call HERE.

He was calling you out for your own statement that you derided the umpire to your friends.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

You completely missed his point.

He was not calling you out for discussing the call HERE.

He was calling you out for your own statement that you derided the umpire to your friends.

Hmmm. The "folks" I was watching it with ARE umpires, so he shouldn't read into my statement that they were NOT. If I'm guilty of bus-throwing, then so is everyone else who says he didn't go, because they're also saying he missed the call and are telling "folks" the umpire got it wrong. I still don't think the batter offered at the pitch, and if that's throwing someone under the bus because he thought he DID offer, well...

JJ

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JJ

Gee, I'm so sorry. I thought we were posting opinions of what we saw. I'll never do it again.

It is one thing to make your comment here on the Forum, but you admitted that you made the comment, which based upon your description, was to a group of non-umpires. If you did, in fact, make that statement to a group of non-umpires, you did throw one of your brethren under the bus.

MTD, Sr.

[scrounge]

Not an offer....and frankly didn't even think it was all that close.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by JJ

I watched it live and, at the time, my first thought was "no swing". After watching the replay multiple times, I still have no swing. At the time it happened I commented to the folks I was watching with that "the umpire just really screwed up, but he sold it well".
I was taught in umpire school years ago that ultimately we are supposed to judge if the batter actually offered at the pitch. Many years later the NCAA added the caveat of "did the barrel of the bat pass the front hip"? Yes, this is Little League (not pro ball or NCAA), but from my perspective, I still have no swing.

JJ

That is not what NCAA means. What that means is that if the barrel passed the hip, it is by definition a swing. It can be a swing even if it doesn't.