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Old Mon Aug 29, 2016, 11:30am
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Offer or Not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-frbbAF4f4

Not sure if the link worked..

At about 5:13,

edited to add,

Would you judge this an offer, or would you judge this as not an offer?

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Old Mon Aug 29, 2016, 11:55am
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Yes, he went.
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Old Tue Aug 30, 2016, 08:48am
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I like the umpire's decisive call.
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Old Tue Aug 30, 2016, 02:09pm
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OK - What am I missing?

Real time from behind the pitcher: Hmmm, may be a swing.

Slow from behind the pitcher: No, I don't think so.

Overhead shot: Really not even close - Good check - No swing.
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Old Tue Aug 30, 2016, 02:34pm
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I don't see an offer here, from any angle. Incorrect call in my view.
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Old Tue Aug 30, 2016, 03:02pm
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Most definitely a swing.
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Old Tue Aug 30, 2016, 03:08pm
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At first, I thought he judged the ball hit him in the strike zone, I did not think he offered in real time.

Kudos to the umpire, he was pointing immediately and I heard him say "that was a swing"

My vote is no offer.
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Old Tue Aug 30, 2016, 04:35pm
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Let me point out something which is the biggest reason I have a swing...

He was still swinging when the ball hit him. That will always be an offer in my book.
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Old Tue Aug 30, 2016, 09:54pm
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Let me point out something which is the biggest reason I have a swing...

He was still swinging when the ball hit him. That will always be an offer in my book.

Your post beat me to the punch.

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Let me point out something which is the biggest reason I have a swing...

He was still swinging when the ball hit him. That will always be an offer in my book.
Great answer, and one that I'll add to my repertoire.
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Old Wed Aug 31, 2016, 09:20am
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Matt,
My two cents, this pitch is borderline in the batters box = benefit of the doubt goes to the batter.

But for discussion sake, take the pitch completely out of the equation, lets say we put it at eye level directly above the plate, would you still judge an offer?
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Old Wed Aug 31, 2016, 11:35am
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Matt,
My two cents, this pitch is borderline in the batters box = benefit of the doubt goes to the batter.
It doesn't matter, the pitch was not in the batter's box and the batter offered.
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But for discussion sake, take the pitch completely out of the equation, lets say we put it at eye level directly above the plate, would you still judge an offer?
We as umpires do not have this view so the point is mute.
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I thought this was a miss then and nothing has changed my mind.
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Old Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:55pm
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Ozzy,

Not trying to start an argument, but the ball is above his left knee, and his knee is really close to the inside of the line. Ball may not be completely inside the line of the batters box. More of the ball is in the box than not.
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Old Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:11pm
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We as umpires do not have this view so the point is mute.
A view we DO have:
Pretend Plate Ump only called dead ball - go to first. Defense appeals to Base Ump. Are you really saying you would have ruled a swing?
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