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bigda65 Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:30am

Offer or Not
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-frbbAF4f4

Not sure if the link worked..

At about 5:13,

edited to add,

Would you judge this an offer, or would you judge this as not an offer?

ozzy6900 Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:55am

Yes, he went.

bob jenkins Tue Aug 30, 2016 08:48am

I like the umpire's decisive call.

robbie Tue Aug 30, 2016 02:09pm

OK - What am I missing?

Real time from behind the pitcher: Hmmm, may be a swing.

Slow from behind the pitcher: No, I don't think so.

Overhead shot: Really not even close - Good check - No swing.

Mbilica Tue Aug 30, 2016 02:34pm

I don't see an offer here, from any angle. Incorrect call in my view.

Matt Tue Aug 30, 2016 03:02pm

Most definitely a swing.

bigda65 Tue Aug 30, 2016 03:08pm

At first, I thought he judged the ball hit him in the strike zone, I did not think he offered in real time.

Kudos to the umpire, he was pointing immediately and I heard him say "that was a swing"

My vote is no offer.

Matt Tue Aug 30, 2016 04:35pm

Let me point out something which is the biggest reason I have a swing...

He was still swinging when the ball hit him. That will always be an offer in my book.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Aug 30, 2016 09:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 990282)
Let me point out something which is the biggest reason I have a swing...

He was still swinging when the ball hit him. That will always be an offer in my book.


Your post beat me to the punch.

MTD, Sr.

CT1 Wed Aug 31, 2016 08:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 990282)
Let me point out something which is the biggest reason I have a swing...

He was still swinging when the ball hit him. That will always be an offer in my book.

Great answer, and one that I'll add to my repertoire.

bigda65 Wed Aug 31, 2016 09:20am

Matt,
My two cents, this pitch is borderline in the batters box = benefit of the doubt goes to the batter.

But for discussion sake, take the pitch completely out of the equation, lets say we put it at eye level directly above the plate, would you still judge an offer?

ozzy6900 Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigda65 (Post 990293)
Matt,
My two cents, this pitch is borderline in the batters box = benefit of the doubt goes to the batter.

It doesn't matter, the pitch was not in the batter's box and the batter offered.
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigda65 (Post 990293)
Matt,
But for discussion sake, take the pitch completely out of the equation, lets say we put it at eye level directly above the plate, would you still judge an offer?

We as umpires do not have this view so the point is mute.

Rich Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:33pm

I thought this was a miss then and nothing has changed my mind.

bigda65 Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:55pm

Ozzy,

Not trying to start an argument, but the ball is above his left knee, and his knee is really close to the inside of the line. Ball may not be completely inside the line of the batters box. More of the ball is in the box than not.

robbie Wed Aug 31, 2016 02:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 990295)

We as umpires do not have this view so the point is mute.

A view we DO have:
Pretend Plate Ump only called dead ball - go to first. Defense appeals to Base Ump. Are you really saying you would have ruled a swing?


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