Looks like Oregon is finally adopting 3 person mechanics...sort of...

[OrStBballRef]

Received an email tonight from our officials association and 3 man mechanics were finally approved. Caveat being certain leagues can choose or not to choose to elect 3 man. Games are assigned via association commissioners so there will probably be, IMO, a lot of alternating between 2 man and 3 man mechanics/crews next year.

Fees are at 80% of the normal 2 man varsity rate, but playoffs next year will continue to remain 2 man.

I'm looking forward to it and it's certainly long overdue!

Regular season 3-person but post-season 2-person? That won't last long.

[OrStBballRef]

Agreed....and I'm wondering if the reason for that is some of the smaller associations won't have the experience/numbers to run 3 man a ton and they don't want their first experience in 3 man to be in the tournaments.

Originally Posted by OrStBballRef

Agreed....and I'm wondering if the reason for that is some of the smaller associations won't have the experience/numbers to run 3 man a ton and they don't want their first experience in 3 man to be in the tournaments.

As someone who has firsthand experience screwing up in my first 3-person game, I understand the feeling.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OrStBballRef

Agreed....and I'm wondering if the reason for that is some of the smaller associations won't have the experience/numbers to run 3 man a ton and they don't want their first experience in 3 man to be in the tournaments.

Part of that, as I've been told, is that the coaches want to know exactly what they'll be getting at the tournament and to be properly prepared for it. There was one coach that want's his league to do whatever the state does for post-season. He doesn't care either way, just that it matches.

His motivation was that he doesn't want the change in officials to alter the balance between the teams....that it will make some "illegal" plays more or less likely to be caught against him or his opponents. Some coaches design plays to set marginal screens away from the officials knowing they will not likely be caught in 2-person. With 3-person, he'll have to take some of those out of his playbook for league play and his team will not be comfortable with running them in the playoffs where the other team, whose league may have used to 2 person, may have such plays.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Part of that, as I've been told, is that the coaches want to know exactly what they'll be getting at the tournament and to be properly prepared for it. There was one coach that want's his league to do whatever the state does for post-season. He doesn't care either way, just that it matches.

His motivation was that he doesn't want the change in officials to alter the balance between the teams....that it will make some "illegal" plays more or less likely to be caught against him or his opponents. Some coaches design plays to set marginal screens away from the officials knowing they will not likely be caught in 2-person. With 3-person, he'll have to take some of those out of his playbook for league play and his team will not be comfortable with running them in the playoffs where the other team, whose league may have used to 2 person, may have such plays.

A big worry when I'm doing 2-man (which I do a lot) is that we're going to get a competitive matchup up high with the ball and a competitive matchup in the strong side post while some kid is going to lose teeth or get concussed on a bad stagger or flare screen somewhere high or in the deep corner on the weakside. That my crew is just going to miss.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

...marginal screens.... With 3-person, he'll have to take some of those out of his playbook for league play...

Will your local associations step up to provide the necessary training in 3-person mechanics so that you don't end up with nothing more than three voracious ballwatchers on each crew?
Some veterans in some areas have been doing 3-person since the switch years ago, but due either to a lack of training or because of their resistance to plug into the training offered, they're still totally clueless regarding PCA's, coverages, secondaries, etc. There's still, as made fun of below, six eyes on the ball at all times.
It's the bane of all officiating, in my opinion. Which is correct.
I wish you and your local associations the best in this regard.
Any resources needed, PM me. We've got quite a collection from all over.

[JRutledge]

So let me get this straight. The state controlled how many officials had on regular season games?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... that it will make some "illegal" plays more or less likely to be caught against him or his opponents. Some coaches design plays to set marginal screens away from the officials knowing they will not likely be caught in 2-person. With 3-person, he'll have to take some of those out of his playbook for league play ...

This is a big part of why 99% of the scholastic games in my little corner of Connecticut are two person games. Our most successful, veteran, coaches are very defensively oriented; in your face man to man defense, full court defense, half court traps, etc. These coaches are also the leaders of the state coaches organization, an organization that holds a lot of power over the state athletic governing body, especially in the sport of basketball.

As long as these veteran coaches keep coaching, and keep winning, we won't see an increase in three person games. It's not quite as bad in other parts of Connecticut, but, as a state, we're still stuck in the twentieth century, and way behind the rest of the country.

[Rich]

The tail wagging the dog.

Schools and conferences need to step up and provide some leadership and not let their coaches dictate practice.

[Rich]

The key thing is to expect some growing pains with it. The temptation is to give up after a year or two, especially if there's a high profile mistake or issue.

Eventually leagues will start wondering what they would do if only 2 officials show up.

The state, IMO, is making a mistake. You start year one by using 3 in your most high-profile events and use people you are confident won't screw up.

Even in Wisconsin there are still conferences hiring 2 and mine will only use 3 full-time starting next year (although I allowed crews to split 2 checks this past year with no permission required). The state has been using 3 at the state tournaments since 2008 and through the entire postseason for 3 years now.

[rockyroad]

Rich...When Washington went to 3-person mechanics, they implemented it at the State level the first year. All State tournament games were 3, and you had to be certified by the WOA in 3-person mechanics in order to work those games. The local associations were free to assign 2 or 3 to their games during the season. After 2 (I think) years, all Varsity level games had to be 3-person games. It worked well for our State to start at the top and work down.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

The key thing is to expect some growing pains with it. The temptation is to give up after a year or two, especially if there's a high profile mistake or issue.

There were a couple of high profile mistakes (one discussed in this forum) that were probably the catalyst for moving forward now. 3-person had been under discussion but the transition was more like 2-3 years away, then it happened.

Originally Posted by Rich

The state, IMO, is making a mistake. You start year one by using 3 in your most high-profile events and use people you are confident won't screw up.

It may well be use in one of the highest profile events in the state...a mid-season tournament with several nationally ranked teams and only top officials, most of which are comfortable in 3-person.

I suspect it will be at the state tournaments very soon.

My guess, is that mostly only our top classifications will elect to use it this year (6A and maybe 5A) and the smaller classes will generally not. If we had to provide it for all varsity games, we don't have enough officials to do that unless the schools change the way they schedule games.