Fed pitching question

[Little Jimmy]

I work for a variety of organizations (Fed, USSSA, NCAA small college). At this weekends Utrip meeting a pitching violation was discussed. It differs from what the Feds say. I wonder what you interpret/rule.

Pitcher stands behind pitching plate, puts her hands together and then steps on the rubber, keeping hands together. Fed casebook 6.1.1 says this is illegal as per Fed 6-1-1a. Utrip also says this is illegal unless pitcher backs off rubber or calls time. Fed seems to say illegal no matter what.

In Fed, when is the illegal pitch called? At the moment the pitcher steps on the rubber with hands together? Utrip would call for waiting until the pitch is delivered (giving the pitcher a chance to step back and negate the pitch), and then going with delayed dead ball if pitch is indeed delivered. What about other orgs? I don't have my NCAA manual with me.What do you do?

[txtrooper]

Jimmy, in ASA and Fed I make the call (delayed dead ball) when the infraction is committed. Stepping on the pitching rubber with the hands together is an illegal act and I believe that it should be called immediately. Stepping off the rubber does not negate the infraction in ASA or Fed ball, as far as I can remember. In the event that the pitcher fails to deliver the pitch, I will call time and make the proper award.

[Tex]

That is an illegal pitch in my area for the mentioned organizations that can't be un-done. Illegal pitch is called immediately.

[CecilOne]

Other pieces of the NFHS rules:

6.f.2: when the hands are together and no part of the windup motion has been made, the pitcher may legally step back from the pitching plate with both feet.

Time out could also be requested. If granted, F1 could start her pitching process over.

OR
5-1-1p "Ball becomes dead immediately (p) when an illegal pitch occurs, but no pitch is delivered to the batter."

[DaveASA/FED]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Other pieces of the NFHS rules:

6.f.2: when the hands are together and no part of the windup motion has been made, the pitcher may legally step back from the pitching plate with both feet.

Time out could also be requested. If granted, F1 could start her pitching process over.

"

Just so I am clear, you are not suggesting that a pitcher can step back once she has stepped on with hands together and negate the illegal pitch are you?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

Just so I am clear, you are not suggesting that a pitcher can step back once she has stepped on with hands together and negate the illegal pitch are you?

I'm suggesting the rules are not clear/consistent.