Volleyball video

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Good on that AD-she won't be coaching again anytime soon after this.Felix-what is your thinking behind not going straight to DQ? To me she is showing up me and my partner and I'm going to put an end to it right here.

Chapmaja-do you know if game admin escorted her completely out of the building and then snuck back in?

are you waiting for game admin to escort her out and keep her out before resuming this match?

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Felix-what is your thinking behind not going straight to DQ? To me she is showing up me and my partner and I'm going to put an end to it right there.

What the coach did, while juvenile and idiotic, was nowhere near as disrespectful as the antics she pulled to earn the yellow card. If those antics weren't worthy of skipping a sanction level, sitting on the floor wouldn't be either.

I am in no way saying that her actions were not worthy of a sanction. In fact, once she sat down like that, red would have been pulled instantly since she had already received yellow, but it was by no means severe or major enough to justify skipping a sanction level in my opinion.

Coaches try to show officials up far more often than you think, but that doesn't necessarily make it something automatically worthy of a disqualification.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Ok Felix I can definitely appreciate that position.Does having watched this video change the way you will do things next season for anyone?

[Antonio.King]

He didn't skip red, though. The sequence of events from the film I gathered were this:

First of all, the commentators are confusing the sanction scale off of what the first referee is actually doing, so when he's saying, "She's ejected", she wasn't. She was just given a red.

Yellow: yelling across the court
Red: Sitting on the floor AND remaining standing after being assessed the yellow.
DQ: Walking across the court to explain and show the rule.

That's what the video shows to me.

[kayla vb]

Originally Posted by Antonio.King

He didn't skip red, though. The sequence of events from the film I gathered were this:

First of all, the commentators are confusing the sanction scale off of what the first referee is actually doing, so when he's saying, "She's ejected", she wasn't. She was just given a red.

Yellow: yelling across the court
Red: Sitting on the floor AND remaining standing after being assessed the yellow.
DQ: Walking across the court to explain and show the rule.

That's what the video shows to me.

I don't think the DQ wasn't even for walking across the court (I actually think there may be NFHS allowances for this?), it was for leaving the rule book on the ref stand as she left.

I think tossing the coach when she sat on the court would've been a huge overreaction at that point. Yes, it was juvenile, but it should take way more than that to jump to a DQ in my opinion.

[pavbref]

Under NFHS rules, the coach is allowed to cross the floor and talk to the R1 for an explanation of the previous play in a time-out dead ball situation. The sanction of yellow card (warning and coach looses the right to stand while coaching her team) progressed to red with her obnoxious behavior (loss of point) and then to disqualification when she left the rulebook on the stand.

At this point, she should have been removed from the gym, and the the set point is awarded because of the DQ.

I believe that the R1 handled the situation correctly, but that we all can learn from watching how the R2's communication with the coach during the substitution procedure was inadequate. Properly communicating about what looks like a second attempt to substitute during the same dead ball should have indicated why the substitution was denied. This could have prevented the escalation of sanctions.

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by pavbref

Under NFHS rules, the coach is allowed to cross the floor and talk to the R1 for an explanation of the previous play in a time-out dead ball situation.

It would be interesting to know what she was "protesting," since the question of the substitution wasn't on the previous play, and thus, would no longer have been a protestable/reviewable situation anyway.

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by Antonio.King

He didn't skip red, though.

To clarify, I'm not saying he did. I was just saying that the first sanction was yellow, and that her antics to get the yellow card were way worse than anything else she did, so if that didn't warrant skipping a sanction level (which it didn't), then nothing else would have.

I was just saying that going from yellow to DQ (which did not happen) would have been a bad decision, IMO.

[refinks]

Just seeing this video for the first time, and I had to watch it without sound because I'm at work, but the only cards I saw being pulled were the red and yellow at the same time when the coach left the rulebook on the stand.

Did I miss seeing R1 pull the yellow separately and then the red separately?

I agree with those that said sitting on the floor would have earned the next step up from me. Had she already been given a red, then of course the sitting on the floor would get an ejection from me.

Good for the school for releasing this coach after the game, she needs to take some time off and think about her actions. Any chance the state suspends her for a certain amount of time? I'm not saying she doesn't deserve a second chance.. everybody deserves a second chance, but if she is coaching somewhere next season, IMO that is an injustice.

I'll have to go back and watch the video with sound on when I get home, because watching the video with no volume was just terrible, it was hard to figure out what was going on.

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by refinks

I'll have to go back and watch the video with sound on when I get home, because watching the video with no volume was just terrible, it was hard to figure out what was going on.

If you rely on the announcers, you won't have a much easier time figuring out what's going on either.