Qustions about college ball

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

1) Would I start out as a line judge? Or are college officials only used as R1 or R2?

Depends. I normally am an official, but I will line judge from time to time. Ask the assignor.

2) What kind of travel is involved? For basketball, I sometimes travel 2 or 3 hours to get to the game site. Is this normal for volleyball as well?

Depends on how far you're willing to go. You don't have to go anywhere you don't want to go.

I live in Illinois, I got my PAVO National rating in Texas this year, but that's an anomaly. I have two matches in Tennessee, otherwise, all my matches are either in Illinois or bordering states. But that's because that's where I indicated I was willing to go, and the further ones are Division I, for which I'm willing to travel further.

3) What level of games would I get? Is there a significant difference in level of play between junior college and D3 schools?

Could be junior college, could be D-III, there's not a huge difference between the two. Frankly, NAIA is a much higher level than D-III IMO.

4) How does "moving up" work? In basketball, to work D1, you have to go to camp and get hired by the league's assignor. Is this also true in volleyball? Or is there simply a regional assignor who can assign you to whatever level he/she thinks is appropriate?

Can be a mix of both. Going to a camp can get you feedback that would be valuable, and can sometimes get you seen by the right people. But your assignor can/will also assign you to matches (or with partners) that are best for your skill level.

5) What are the game fees for college ball? This is not the primary factor in my decision, but I make $125 for a JV/V doubleheader 20 minutes from my house. If I have to travel 2 hours for $150, it's not worth it to me.

It all depends. If you're looking to get better, sometimes you have to see a better level of play (and travel to see it) for a lower rate.

If pay is your foremost concern, then you may want to stay where you are.

6) What is the biggest adjustment that you make as an official between a high school match and a low-level college match (which is what I assume I'd start with)?

Since you (IIRC) deal with college rules presently, the rules differences wouldn't be an issue. Understand that a college coach *is* that person's job, as opposed to a high school coach for which they probably have another full time job and this is a stipend. Give some leeway to the fact that the college coach may fight a little harder for a call, since his/her job just may be on the line. Don't let them get overboard, though.

R2ing is extremely important at the college level. Get better at it (and before someone takes that as a negative, we can ALL get better at R2ing). A bad R2 can kill a match; a good one can make things much better.

[Scrapper1]

Thank you for the insight, Felix. I truly appreciate it. Let me just follow up on a couple things you said.

Originally Posted by FMadera

I live in Illinois, I got my PAVO National rating in Texas this year, but that's an anomaly.

I don't even know what this means. Could you explain the rating process and how it relates to where you live?

Could be junior college, could be D-III, there's not a huge difference between the two. Frankly, NAIA is a much higher level than D-III IMO.

This is very interesting. In basketball, I don't deal with NAIA at all. I don't even know if there are any around me. I guess I'll find out, if things get that far.

If pay is your foremost concern, then you may want to stay where you are.

As I said, pay is not my foremost concern, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't a concern at all. I love officiating basketball, and I generally don't mind the travel; but honestly, I don't LOVE officiating volleyball. So if my choice is "very good paycheck close to home and dinner with the family every night", or "pay is slightly better with a 3 hour round trip and home at midnight", I probably wouldn't be all that eager to move up.

Understand that a college coach *is* that person's job, as opposed to a high school coach

I'm also used to this from the basketball side. Dealing with the coaches is not what I do best, but I can do it.

R2ing is extremely important at the college level. Get better at it

Believe me, I am acutely aware that I need to get MUCH better at everything. I did not make this post to try to show off. But I did want some perspective on the next level to help me make a decision, should it get that far. And again, I sincerely thank you for all the help you've given me; not just in this thread, but over the last year.

[Andy]

Well...I'll throw in my .02 here....

I think the answers to most of your questions depend on the area where you live and work.

In my area, we have a 10 team JC league, a DII school, then the PAC10. In order to get into the JC league, you have to work and be seen at a lot of USAV stuff in the spring and summer. Some of that helps with the PAVO ratings process that Felix was talking about. I'm not involved at that level, so I will defer to him for more details. The assignor for the JC league is a PAC 10 official and has some say in helping people develop to that level. At that level, both of the referees and the line judges are assigned by the conference assignor.

The DII school in the area is in a conference with schools from California and Hawaii. Their matches are assigned by a local official who uses mostly local folks. She assigns both of the referees and the line judges.

The game does move much faster at the college level and some of the alignments that these teams can be really confusing.

Personally, I only do HS and some line judging for the local JCs. I am very involved in Softball umpiring in our area and choose to concentrate on that sport in the spring and summer.

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I don't even know what this means. Could you explain the rating process and how it relates to where you live?

PAVO (Professional Association of Volleyball Officials) National rating just means I'm considered to be qualified to work any women's collegiate volleyball match in the country.

In theory, anyway.