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Old Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:10pm
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3rd Time Out

Coach team A requests and is granted a 3rd TO in a set. This is an Unnecessary Delay. Does it immediately result in a Loss of Rally/Point awarded?
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Old Thu Sep 12, 2019, 06:57am
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Does it immediately result in a Loss of Rally/Point awarded?
Your post stated that the penalty was Unnecessary Delay. If you know the proper penalty for that, then you answered your own question.
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Old Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:59am
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Coach team A requests and is granted a 3rd TO in a set. This is an Unnecessary Delay. Does it immediately result in a Loss of Rally/Point awarded?
Warning: No
Penalty: Yes

Your question doesn't state if it's the first UD of the set/match (depending on rule set), which is kind of a huge piece of information.
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Old Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:46pm
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This was the 1st UD of set/match. So I read that this should be a Administration Yellow card.
Team A was losing 21-24 and Team B had the serve at the time of the TO request.
So allow the minute TO to exist. Apply a yellow card to team A. Return with Team B serving for the match point.
Also Coach of Team A would still be allowed to stand to coach.
If this is the procedure, then this is a minor slap on the wrist that allows Team A to regroup and slow down Team B
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Old Fri Sep 13, 2019, 07:14am
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The situation as described is really a lot more than simply requesting a timeout in excess of the number allowed and I believe warrants a penalty more severe than an administrative yellow card. Knowing that the coach was out of time outs and assuming that you had informed him of that fact after the team took their second one, my approach would be to practice preventive officiating. Suddenly develop poor hearing. You know what the coach is trying to do so just ignore him/her. If the coach persists and is standing outside of the legal coaching area and/or is loud/boisterous to the point where the request can no longer be ignored, penalize it for what it really is - unsporting conduct. Issue a red card, set over. This approach would be supported by applying Rule 12.2.1 (acting in unsporting manner) or 12.2.8.k (making excessive requests designed to disrupt set).
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Old Fri Sep 13, 2019, 07:34am
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This was the 1st UD of set/match. So I read that this should be a Administration Yellow card.
Team A was losing 21-24 and Team B had the serve at the time of the TO request.
So allow the minute TO to exist. Apply a yellow card to team A. Return with Team B serving for the match point.
Also Coach of Team A would still be allowed to stand to coach.
If this is the procedure, then this is a minor slap on the wrist that allows Team A to regroup and slow down Team B
NFHS rules
That's not the procedure.

Tell the coach he's used his two timeouts.
If s/he insists, blow the whistle, show the YUD signal, and give the court right back to R1 who can beckon with (almost) no interruption.

After the point, have the scorekeeper (if s/he didn't already) record the delay -- this won't take any longer than any needed action to get the ball back to the next server (and, heck, it might be the end of the set, so there's ltos of time)
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Sorry genetoy71 and bob jenkins. I was not the R2. I do not know if the Coach was informed when they took their 2nd TO. I do not think the R2 replied to the Coach that they did not have any TO's remaining. The R2 immediately accepted the request of the 3rd TO. I knew it was an Unnecessary Delay. I did not know how to apply the situation. He came walking to me. Told me it was the 3rd TO and said game over and walked away. I was not sure of the ruling, so after the game I read the rule book and asked the question.
I appreciate all of your "you could have' and 'you should have' comments. It is too late I have gone home. We cannot redo the play. We can only learn from our mistakes
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That's not the procedure.

Tell the coach he's used his two timeouts.
If s/he insists, blow the whistle, show the YUD signal, and give the court right back to R1 who can beckon with (almost) no interruption.

After the point, have the scorekeeper (if s/he didn't already) record the delay -- this won't take any longer than any needed action to get the ball back to the next server (and, heck, it might be the end of the set, so there's ltos of time)
Doesn't the R1 have to inform the captain what the card is for?
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