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Old Wed Jul 01, 2015, 06:32am
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Yet another example of the benefit of just asking in the first place. Get the call right to begin with and you can likely eliminate all of this nonsense and waste of time.
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Old Wed Jul 01, 2015, 01:55pm
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Lets say F3 did come off the bag, then came back down on it before B/R arrived at 1st base but BU did not see that !. As a base ump if I want help from PU, I would certainly like to know my PU was paying attention & willing to help. (If I ask for it).
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Old Wed Jul 01, 2015, 09:47pm
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Yet another example of the benefit of just asking in the first place. Get the call right to begin with and you can likely eliminate all of this nonsense and waste of time.
Like a broken record with more faults than a blind tennis player.
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Old Thu Jul 02, 2015, 06:56am
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Like a broken record with more faults than a blind tennis player.
What's broken is the mechanic. Consider what happened that lead to this thread. There's something broken here alright...
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Old Thu Jul 02, 2015, 07:01am
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What's broken is the mechanic. Consider what happened that lead to this thread. There's something broken here alright...
What lead to this thread was the OP not knowing he could help with the PF call.
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Old Fri Jul 03, 2015, 06:52am
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And still doesn't.
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Old Fri Jul 03, 2015, 08:29am
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And still doesn't.
You should. There is no mechanic or restrictions which prohibit partners discussing a play or asking for help. May not be the wisest thing to do, but it can be done.

Remember, you control the information being offered your partner. Personally, I'm in the camp of not presuming every "what if" scenario on a play. I call what my eyes tell my brain they saw. Not saying the two always work in perfect harmony, but I'm not going to second guess my brain because something may or may not have occurred.
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Old Fri Jul 03, 2015, 05:15pm
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...but I'm not going to second guess my brain because something may or may not have occurred.
That's OK. We have that covered here!
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Old Tue Jul 07, 2015, 11:29pm
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To me this is the one time that we "don't guess an out". In most instances were are taught that unless we are 100% sure of an out, the call is safe. In this instance the best thing to do is call the runner out unless you are 100% of the pulled foot. Then if the offensive coach thinks there was a pulled foot you can go to the PU for help on the call. If you call the pulled foot you have to be 100% sure of the pulled foot, then the PU shouldn't have anything to change the call.
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Old Wed Jul 08, 2015, 03:49pm
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Honestly, the only way I can envision PU helping "unpull" the foot is if the BU positively saw the foot pull, but was straightlined when the fielder tried to reach that foot BACK toward the base, and needed help confirming whether she got her foot back in time (or at all).

But even there it's problematical, for all the reasons mentioned above.
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