We screwed this one up.....

[azbigdawg]

rookies....

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

rookies....

Maybe so, but we got the Option Play Protocol right later in the game when Andy had catcher's obstruction on a batted ball.

That said, when you come together to administer an option play just 1 short inning after getting together to un-F a CF...it doesn't look very good to the crowd. It was still the right way to handle the obstruction on F2.

Originally Posted by CecilOne

ITUJ, but have to agree.

ITUJ? Not in my library of internet acronyms. Can you spell that one out for me, Cecil?

[Tru_in_Blu]

in the umpire's judgment?

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

in the umpire's judgment?

That makes perfect sense. Thanks.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

rookies....

This is helpful...

What would you have done. oh great one?

(great is referring to your size, not your level of expertise....)

[AtlUmpSteve]

Personally, I verbalize "NOOOO!!" in that case; definitely NOT "no catch", just "NO".

But the issue isn't if your partner knew you ruled "no catch"; he admitted he just blew the result of the following play. It MAY be questionable if the teams knew, not sure if there were tag attempts from your description.

But, other than a possible issue of how quickly you called time, in case there may have been another play that wouldn't be with jeopardy attached, you needed to review the obvious misapplication that needed to be changed. Some may believe you should wait for a coach to appeal the call; I believe that your action was appropriate under these circumstances, as the coaches look to us address the obvious situations.

IMO, by addressing it yourself, immediately, you created (or expanded) a "trust" factor with those two teams, that your games will be handled correctly. That has value, even well beyond the normal expectation that if they appeal/protest/complain that you will rule correctly.

I recently had a play in a D1 game, first of a 3 game series, where one of my (3 man) crew made an award on a ball out of play that I believed incorrect. As PU, I called the crew together without waiting for it to be challenged, we talked it out and got it right. After the game, I found out BOTH head coaches called the conference coordinator to THANK him and give praise for this crew working to "get it right" without the need for them to challenge us. The rest of weekend was calm and cordial, and a later assignment with that home school was more of that, the coaches trusting us to handle whatever. My belief is that we should do more of that when it is clearly a rule misapplication; I'm NOT suggesting we approach our partners about judgment.

[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by Andy

This is helpful...

What would you have done. oh great one?

(great is referring to your size, not your level of expertise....)

1.Kill Terry
2. Fix as described...I think you handled it correctly...

[Andy]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

1.Kill Terry
2. Fix as described...I think you handled it correctly...

Being as this was game 2 of our DH and happened in the first inning, Option #1 is out as I was not going to work the game solo.......

We did resume the game with one out and runners at second and third. We called both coaches out, explained that we screwed up and this is how we are going to fix it. There was a brief protest from the defense that the line drive was caught in flight and it should be a triple play, but we handled that.

At the post game, we discussed it further and also thought that a reasonable fix would have been to call the out on the BR and place runners at first and third.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

1.Kill Terry
2. Fix as described...I think you handled it correctly...

No need for Andy to kill me. I was about as mortified as possible when Andy pointed out the force was gone. Not often am I stuck speechless, but I had little to say for a few seconds when I figured out what had happened.

Originally Posted by Andy

Being as this was game 2 of our DH and happened in the first inning, Option #1 is out as I was not going to work the game solo.......

We did resume the game with one out and runners at second and third. We called both coaches out, explained that we screwed up and this is how we are going to fix it. There was a brief protest from the defense that the line drive was caught in flight and it should be a triple play, but we handled that.

At the post game, we discussed it further and also thought that a reasonable fix would have been to call the out on the BR and place runners at first and third.

I thought about this more on the drive home, and I think we got it right the way we did it. We didn't "gift" any bases or any outs to a team that did not earn them while the ball was in play. I feel much better about R1 at 3B and R2 at 2B with the BR called out that I do about putting R2 back on 1B where she started. R2 reached 2B safely while the play was live; I just straight-up made the wrong call and misapplied the rule. There was no tag attempt.

Our (my) mistake placed both teams in jeopardy, and that's when Andy killed it.

We also postgamed Steve's advice: be LOUD on the uncaught infield line drive so everyone in earshot of the park knows that the umpires did not rule the ball caught.

[MD Longhorn]

You did not say where the runners were when A) the ball was thrown to 2nd or B) when you yelled time. That matters, I think.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

You did not say where the runners were when A) the ball was thrown to 2nd or B) when you yelled time. That matters, I think.

R1 had made it to third, R2 was between first and second.

Both had started to return to their dugouts when the out was called at second. I waited a few seconds before calling time.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

At the post game, we discussed it further and also thought that a reasonable fix would have been to call the out on the BR and place runners at first and third.

I would disagree with this one. It isn't anyone's fault other than the defense that there was no attempt to tag R2.