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Old Wed Apr 23, 2014, 01:43pm
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Offensive Coach Yelling out Pitch Location

I was recently at a game, NFHS in Kentucky, in which the offensive coach would watch where the catcher moved to after giving the sign, and then during the pitcher’s windup would yell to his batter whether the pitch was going to be inside or outside.

Unsportsmanlike? Any call, or let them play?
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Old Wed Apr 23, 2014, 01:55pm
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If I were the defensive coach, I would have my catcher go up and away and would then have my pitcher throw it down and in.

In past less passive times, the catcher would go down and away and the pitcher would come up and in. But I don't think that method is proper in today's world.
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Old Wed Apr 23, 2014, 02:44pm
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If I were the defensive coach, I would have my catcher go up and away and would then have my pitcher throw it down and in.

In past less passive times, the catcher would go down and away and the pitcher would come up and in. But I don't think that method is proper in today's world.
I'm old school up and in.
I would warn the coach then restrict him for unsporting conduct
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Old Wed Apr 23, 2014, 03:14pm
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You going to do the same for a runner on 2nd giving hand signals for pitch location? Nothing illegal about it. My daughters coach did it all the time he just didn't say inside or outside. He would say turn on it for inside pitches and go with it for outside.
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Old Wed Apr 23, 2014, 03:18pm
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I'm old school up and in.
I would warn the coach then restrict him for unsporting conduct
You'd lose your job.

I guess no one remembers this from the WCWS two seasons ago in the Texas game.
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Old Wed Apr 23, 2014, 03:21pm
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You'd lose your job...
For which suggestion? For going up and in, or for the warn/restrict for USC?
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Old Wed Apr 23, 2014, 06:26pm
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I mentioned this in another post somewhere.

Anyone who thinks most softball pitchers can hit the catcher's glove location might be right about 36% of the time.

Advanced travel teams in the older age groups might have better control.

At about what age will catchers actually move the location of their glove? 14U? 16U?

I've done some JV games w/ pretty wild pitchers!
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Old Wed Apr 23, 2014, 07:15pm
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Old Thu Apr 24, 2014, 06:45am
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Players call things out all the time to help out their teammates. Should we no longer allow the defense to yell "BUNT" or "GOING" or "TAG"?

Not only is it not illegal, it's not even bush-league.
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Old Thu Apr 24, 2014, 09:54am
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For which suggestion? For going up and in, or for the warn/restrict for USC?
For the warn/restrict.
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Old Fri Apr 25, 2014, 06:24am
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I'm old school up and in.
I would warn the coach then restrict him for unsporting conduct
Nothing to warn the coach about. He is doing his job, coaching his players.
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Old Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:45am
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I'm old school up and in.
I would warn the coach then restrict him for unsporting conduct
Just wondering where you would draw your line. I'm thinking that for consistency, you would have to warn (and then eject) any number of top college coaches (I'm thinking Patrick Murphy, Clint Myers, Sean Rychcik off hand) that call out change-ups based on the pitcher's grip (spawned the pitching style of turning the body in the windup so the coach sees glove until the separation).

Ignore it, is my suggestion. Same as stealing signs; it is the opponent's responsibility to fix it, or handle it. It isn't unsporting, it's part of the game.
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Old Sat Apr 26, 2014, 01:28am
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Just wondering where you would draw your line. I'm thinking that for consistency, you would have to warn (and then eject) any number of top college coaches (I'm thinking Patrick Murphy, Clint Myers, Sean Rychcik off hand) that call out change-ups based on the pitcher's grip (spawned the pitching style of turning the body in the windup so the coach sees glove until the separation).

Ignore it, is my suggestion. Same as stealing signs; it is the opponent's responsibility to fix it, or handle it. It isn't unsporting, it's part of the game.
I can agree with you. I have never had it happen that blatantly.
Usually coaches or other players use first-last and nickname along with jersey # to tell locations.
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Old Sat Apr 26, 2014, 09:25am
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I had one last week, where the batter actually turned around and looked at the signal.

The pitch was up and in!

She didn't turn around and look again.
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Old Sat Apr 26, 2014, 10:39pm
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I had one last week, where the batter actually turned around and looked at the signal.

The pitch was up and in!

She didn't turn around and look again.
Now that's almost old school. Old school would have seen her hit by pitch.
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