Obstruction question

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by nopachunts

In Fed, obstruction is a delayed dead ball. In ASA and/or NSA, is obstruction an immediate dead ball if a play is being made on a runner?

Not exactly - in ASA it's immediately dead if they tag out the obstructed runner - not just if a play is made on them.

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not exactly - in ASA it's immediately dead if they tag out the obstructed runner - not just if a play is made on them.

So what is it in NSA. Have never used NSA rules so I am at a loss on this one. I'm see what Irish is saying where killing the ball too quickly can cause harm to the offended team.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by nopachunts

So what is it in NSA. Have never used NSA rules so I am at a loss on this one. I'm see what Irish is saying where killing the ball too quickly can cause harm to the offended team.

NSA has an exception whereby they kill the ball (poor ball...) if obstruction occurs during a rundown.

As Mike said, it could potentially harm the offense by not allowing them to advance on a potential error. But also, how often do we see a trailing runner take an extra base (or two!) during a rundown - killing the ball early when the defense has not been able to tag out the runner even after obstructing them is not fair to the offense at all.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

NSA has an exception whereby they kill the ball (poor ball...) if obstruction occurs during a rundown.
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NSA kills the ball anytime the obstructed runner it the one on which the defense is making a play. The rundown exception just notes they will always get the lead base whether or not they would have attained it.

Now, my next question is, what defines a rundown?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

NSA kills the ball anytime the obstructed runner it the one on which the defense is making a play. The rundown exception just notes they will always get the lead base whether or not they would have attained it.

Now, my next question is, what defines a rundown?

True ... and good question. I think it's in the chapter about Hot Boxes in the section regarding Pickles.

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I think it's in the chapter about Hot Boxes in the section regarding Pickles.

Which rule book?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by nopachunts

Which rule book?

Sandlot Baseball Rulebook

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Now, my next question is, what defines a rundown?

IMO, a rundown begins when a fielder with possession of the ball causes a runner to stop: 1. advancing to the next base, or 2. returning the last attained base.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by nopachunts

IMO, a rundown begins when a fielder with possession of the ball causes a runner to stop: 1. advancing to the next base, or 2. returning the last attained base.

So, a runner rounding 3rd as the throw goes to the catcher and the moment s/he stops or reverses direction, the "run down" as started?

Wouldn't that mean there would always be a rundown every time a runner rounded a base and stopped and a fielder within throwing distance had possession of the ball?

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

So, a runner rounding 3rd as the throw goes to the catcher and the moment s/he stops or reverses direction, the "run down" as started?

Wouldn't that mean there would always be a rundown every time a runner rounded a base and stopped and a fielder within throwing distance had possession of the ball?

I understand what you are saying. Definition needs to be tweeked a little. Better?

A rundown begins when a runner stops their advance to a base because fielder with possession of the ball is between the runner and the base the runner was advancing to and a play is attempted on the runner.