Fed question#1, choke up device

[Little Jimmy]

Local meeting discussion. Bats are checked before game. All are fine. Somewhere in the game, a batter approaches the plate with a choke up device on the bat. Is it an altered bat? Some at our local meeting said it was, but the altered bat definition speaks of a structural change. The structure of the bat wasn't changed was it? Do we simply say to the batter that it can't be used? By the way, Fed website shows 1-5-2A with choke up device mentioned in last sentence. Paper rulebook doesn't mention the word choke up device in 1-5-2A.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Little Jimmy

Local meeting discussion. Bats are checked before game. All are fine. Somewhere in the game, a batter approaches the plate with a choke up device on the bat. Is it an altered bat? Some at our local meeting said it was, but the altered bat definition speaks of a structural change. The structure of the bat wasn't changed was it? Do we simply say to the batter that it can't be used? By the way, Fed website shows 1-5-2A with choke up device mentioned in last sentence. Paper rulebook doesn't mention the word choke up device in 1-5-2A.

I would not say altered, but I don't know much about the physical characteristics of the devices. Not within the sense of the altered rule, I would say.

[EsqUmp]

This is from 2011. Not sure if it has changed...

ART. 2 . . . The bat shall consist of the following components (see Figure 1-7): a. Knob. The bat knob shall protrude at a 90-degree angle from the handle. The knob may be molded, lathed, welded or permanently fastened. Devices, attachments or wrappings are permitted except those that cause the knob to become flush with the handle. A one-piece rubber knob and bat grip
combination is illegal.

[Little Jimmy]

Choke-up devices are not permitted as of the 2014 Fed rule book.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

This is from 2011. Not sure if it has changed...

ART. 2 . . . The bat shall consist of the following components (see Figure 1-7): a. Knob. The bat knob shall protrude at a 90-degree angle from the handle. The knob may be molded, lathed, welded or permanently fastened. Devices, attachments or wrappings are permitted except those that cause the knob to become flush with the handle. A one-piece rubber knob and bat grip
combination is illegal.

Old rule, but doesn't really refer to what they are referring to. To be honest, I've never seen whatever it is to which they are referring.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Old rule, but doesn't really refer to what they are referring to. To be honest, I've never seen whatever it is to which they are referring.

Check these out
Baseball Accessories | Hitting Aids | CG1 by ChokeGrip
adidas Bat Choke - Dick's Sporting Goods

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

Check these out
Baseball Accessories | Hitting Aids | CG1 by ChokeGrip
adidas Bat Choke - Dick's Sporting Goods

IMO, another sign of laziness and weakness on behalf of the coaching world.

If you "need" something like this, you should, IMO, find another game.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Little Jimmy

Local meeting discussion. Bats are checked before game. All are fine. Somewhere in the game, a batter approaches the plate with a choke up device on the bat. Is it an altered bat? Some at our local meeting said it was, but the altered bat definition speaks of a structural change. The structure of the bat wasn't changed was it? Do we simply say to the batter that it can't be used? By the way, Fed website shows 1-5-2A with choke up device mentioned in last sentence. Paper rulebook doesn't mention the word choke up device in 1-5-2A.

Not altered. Illegal, same as if the grip was torn and needs to be rewrapped. It is correctable, so not a change in structure. Remove the choke-up device, and it can become legal again; an altered bat can never become legal again.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Not altered. Illegal, same as if the grip was torn and needs to be rewrapped. It is correctable, so not a change in structure. Remove the choke-up device, and it can become legal again; an altered bat can never become legal again.

Luckily, that's about what I thought earlier, without being sure that the device could be removed without damage.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Luckily, that's about what I thought earlier, without being sure that the device could be removed without damage.

Well, if it can't be removed without damage, then the bat has been altered, right?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Well, if it can't be removed without damage, then the bat has been altered, right?

If that were the case. But as above, all those we know about are clip-ons or slip-ons; completely removable without permanent structure change/damage.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

If that were the case. But as above, all those we know about are clip-ons or slip-ons; completely removable without permanent structure change/damage.

I was thinking the conversation would go something like this:

U: Batter, you can't have that device on your bat. Take it off if you want to use that bat.
B: But, it won't come off.
U: OK. Now you're out for coming to the plate with an altered bat.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I was thinking the conversation would go something like this:

U: Batter, you can't have that device on your bat. Take it off if you want to use that bat.
B: But, it won't come off.
U: OK. Now you're out for coming to the plate with an altered bat.

Is that all?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I was thinking the conversation would go something like this:

U: Batter, you can't have that device on your bat. Take it off if you want to use that bat.
B: But, it won't come off.
U: OK. Now you're out for coming to the plate with an altered bat.

Then is should have been noticed when? Come on, you all know the answer.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I was thinking the conversation would go something like this:

U: Batter, you can't have that device on your bat. Take it off if you want to use that bat.
B: But, it won't come off.
U: OK. Now you're out for coming to the plate with an altered bat.

You mean like the earrings that can't come out, either? What is it, nailed, soldered, or super-glued to the bat? THAT would be an altered bat; the average youth player might think if it were taped on that it won't come off.

Hoping you would have the start of that conversation with the coach in the pregame bat check, actually. That's when you would/should see it for the first time.