"Last Time By" Interpretation

[Manny A]

Was wondering if the concept known as "last time by" in baseball circles also exists in softball, specifically in ASA. I'll explain by giving an example.

R1 on first, one out. Fly ball to right-center field, and R1, thinking there are two outs, takes off for second. She rounds second when she hears her third base coach yell at her to go back. R1 turns and heads back to first without retouching second.

F8 makes the catch, and comes up throwing to first. The throw eludes F3 as R1 slides back into the bag, and also gets by F2 backing up on the play. As the ball rattles around the backstop, R1 is able to pop up, and make it safely all the way to third base, touching the bag at second on the way.

Under most baseball rule sets that I'm aware of, an appeal of R1 for missing second on the way back to first would not be ruled an out, because the runner did touch second the last time he ran by it. R1 is essentially given credit for correcting his blunder by subsequently touching the missed base during the course of play.

How would this be ruled in ASA?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Was wondering if the concept known as "last time by" in baseball circles also exists in softball, specifically in ASA. I'll explain by giving an example.

R1 on first, one out. Fly ball to right-center field, and R1, thinking there are two outs, takes off for second. She rounds second when she hears her third base coach yell at her to go back. R1 turns and heads back to first without retouching second.

F8 makes the catch, and comes up throwing to first. The throw eludes F3 as R1 slides back into the bag, and also gets by F2 backing up on the play. As the ball rattles around the backstop, R1 is able to pop up, and make it safely all the way to third base, touching the bag at second on the way.

Under most baseball rule sets that I'm aware of, an appeal of R1 for missing second on the way back to first would not be ruled an out, because the runner did touch second the last time he ran by it. R1 is essentially given credit for correcting his blunder by subsequently touching the missed base during the course of play.

How would this be ruled in ASA?

So, the R missed 2nd while returning; then retouched it after running to 1st and back. Safe so far.
Then, separate move, advances to 3rd.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Was wondering if the concept known as "last time by" in baseball circles also exists in softball, specifically in ASA. I'll explain by giving an example.

R1 on first, one out. Fly ball to right-center field, and R1, thinking there are two outs, takes off for second. She rounds second when she hears her third base coach yell at her to go back. R1 turns and heads back to first without retouching second.

F8 makes the catch, and comes up throwing to first. The throw eludes F3 as R1 slides back into the bag, and also gets by F2 backing up on the play. As the ball rattles around the backstop, R1 is able to pop up, and make it safely all the way to third base, touching the bag at second on the way.

Under most baseball rule sets that I'm aware of, an appeal of R1 for missing second on the way back to first would not be ruled an out, because the runner did touch second the last time he ran by it. R1 is essentially given credit for correcting his blunder by subsequently touching the missed base during the course of play.

How would this be ruled in ASA?

My ruling is safe. Since the runner had touched second base legally after missing it, the appeal potential is removed. Had the ball not gotten away from the defense and she remainded at 1b, then the D can successfully appeal the missed base.

This is no different than a runner missing second base as she goes by, gets to 3b, realizes she missed it, goes back to second, touches second then goes back to third.

[MD Longhorn]

How does one correct missing a base? By returning and touching it. Does the runner in your scenario (or any LTB scenarios) return to the missed base and touch it? Yes.

LTB is an unneeded crutch.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

How does one correct missing a base? By returning and touching it. Does the runner in your scenario (or any LTB scenarios) return to the missed base and touch it? Yes.

LTB is an unneeded crutch.

No it's not, and it seems like in previous discussions here we've said that this doesn't apply to softball. There are two possible ways you can correct a baserunning mistake like this.

A) Skip second on the way back to first, go back to second, go to third.
B) Skip second on the way back to first, touch first, touch second, go back to first, then advance to second and third.

LTB makes A okay, without last time by you need B.