U3 Button-Hook

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by shagpal

$400 to learn how to button hook just to watch a runner touch?

What advantage does button hooking provide when there is no play at the base? Stay outside and outa the way to watch the base touched.

If executed properly, no more or no less an advantage than staying outside....either one works just fine.

But it's the mechanic & coverage that ASA uses in their three-umpire system to cover the five situations (runner(s) on/base hit to OF) and their mechanic requires 3B to button hook inside the diamond.

The OP is about the poster going to an ASA Nat, working on his 3-man in preparation, and realizing that his execution on that particular coverage is not where he feels needs it to be and wants to improve on it. He obviously understands the importance placed on; and the expectation of proper mechanics by his tournament UIC and crew mates at the Nat.

Now the bolded part.."button hook just to watch a runner touch."
Depending how the play develops in any of the five runner configurations that has 3B button hooking inside the diamond, he will always have other responsibilities. "There's always a job to do", no matter which sanctioning body's mechanics are being used. That's just good umpiring.

[shagpal]

So he will do as he's told, or else he won't work, but he had to come here to ask how to do it when it could a been explained right on the spot.

$400 to be taught how to do it is BS.

Originally Posted by KJUmp

If executed properly, no more or no less an advantage than staying outside....either one works just fine.

But it's the mechanic & coverage that ASA uses in their three-umpire system to cover the five situations (runner(s) on/base hit to OF) and their mechanic requires 3B to button hook inside the diamond.

The OP is about the poster going to an ASA Nat, working on his 3-man in preparation, and realizing that his execution on that particular coverage is not where he feels needs it to be and wants to improve on it. He obviously understands the importance placed on; and the expectation of proper mechanics by his tournament UIC and crew mates at the Nat.

Now the bolded part.."button hook just to watch a runner touch."
Depending how the play develops in any of the five runner configurations that has 3B button hooking inside the diamond, he will always have other responsibilities. "There's always a job to do", no matter sanctioning body's mechanics are being used. That's just good umpiring.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by shagpal

$400 to be taught how to do it is BS.

if that was the only expect of the game taught, you might have a simple point

[shagpal]

Oh, I can only imagine.

Originally Posted by okla21fan

if that was the only expect of the game taught, you might have a simple point

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by shagpal

Oh, I can only imagine.

You might be surprised who attended this year's camp as a guest instructor and consultant.

[shagpal]

Amuse me. Surprise me. Tickle me silly.

Originally Posted by okla21fan

You might be surprised who attended this year's camp as a guest instructor and consultant.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by shagpal

Oh, I am not suggesting he should not follow orders.
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I am suggesting we can be thinking umpires and consider better mechanics. Most that do have moved on.
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So he will do as he's told, or else he won't work, but he had to come here to ask how to do it when it could a been explained right on the spot.

$400 to be taught how to do it is BS.

Wow, you sure do make some wild-ass assumptions about what I will and won't do. Do you even know me?

I asked what I thought was a simple question: How does U3 execute the button-hook as required by ASA mechanics? I got the answer. What I'm going to do or not do, whether I'm a robot or a thinking umpire, or how I spend $400 adds nothing to the discussion.

[okla21fan]

You get a 'note' from her about 9 or so times a year.

[shagpal]

DA?

Common, tell me, don't play me like that.

Originally Posted by okla21fan

You get a 'note' from her about 9 or so times a year.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by shagpal

DA?

Common, tell me, don't play me like that.

He did.

[shagpal]

Tells me so much.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

He did.

[shagpal]

I am not assuming about YOU, but I am assuming what will happen if you don't do as you are told at an ASA event, you will be sent home. So either you will do as told and work, or you won't and you won't work.

You suggested if you spend the $400 for the advanced FP camp, you will be shown correctly how to button hook in 3-man. It was explained right here and you got it for free. What's missing?

Originally Posted by Manny A

Wow, you sure do make some wild-ass assumptions about what I will and won't do. Do you even know me?

I asked what I thought was a simple question: How does U3 execute the button-hook as required by ASA mechanics? I got the answer. What I'm going to do or not do, whether I'm a robot or a thinking umpire, or how I spend $400 adds nothing to the discussion.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by shagpal

(snip) So either you will do as told and work, or you won't and you won't work.

(snip)

Funny, that's how it is a my straight job, too.

[shagpal]

Or find a better boss and job. Not everyone can, but we all wish we could.

Luckily we are independent contractors, and free will wins.

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Funny, that's how it is a my straight job, too.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by shagpal

Luckily we are independent contractors, and free will wins.

Schedulers are independent as well, free to schedule those who will perform as they are asked, as opposed to simply making stuff as they go and running around where they want. I grant that the umpire population is sometimes not so great that this sort of umpire never works at all ... but those who work at their craft, strive to get better, and continue to learn will get more (and better) games in the long run.