ASA Should Be Ashamed

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by shagpal

Mike, remember one thing...

When you point the finger as you have done, three of your own fingers are pointing right back at you. If you wanted to hold parties accountable, what seat do you sit?

What is your motive with this? Please make a point, with a corrective suggestion and give up the personals.

[shagpal]

Are you his guard or attack dog? You seem to arrive on cue every time. Mike seems well equipped to take care of himself.

Nothing personal, I was under the impression mike was high up the food chain in the ASA to do something about what he dislikes, that is all. He comes off as a person within with the authority. It only makes sense that he do something other than to complain.

Originally Posted by CecilOne

What is your motive with this? Please make a point, with a corrective suggestion and give up the personals.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by shagpal

OK, now I understand, you are putting that emphasis on the umpires. I won't disagree with you, umpires doesn't get a free pass. I am putting far more emphasis on the ASA than most staunch ASA guys can stomach, but that's just me and makes for great diversity of viewpoints.

My point is, the ASA owns its problems like it or not, and taking an oblivious approach and passing the buck doesn't help matters. So many give the ASA a free pass for what is so obviously self made problems.

I sometimes wonder that those that staunchly defend the ASA aren't really the problem.

Seems to me you've created this role for ASA that you expect them to fulfill and then blame them for not fulfilling it. There is no such entity that has the amount of control you seem to expect them to have. It is not ASA's problem when some random umpire wears it's gear to non-ASA events - and expecting them to be able to police that is honestly quite foolish.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

...some random umpire wears it's gear...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

What is your motive with this? Please make a point, with a corrective suggestion and give up the personals.

His point is to Satanize ASA on any platform he can find, but I really don't believe he knows or understands what ASA's function or mission statement or responsibility is.

But does anyone see the irony in the way he has turned the thread?

[shagpal]

I think demonizing the ASA is giving it too much credit.

The ASA has really over-managed some areas, and under-managed others. That doesn't make it evil, it makes it inept.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

His point is to Satanize ASA on any platform he can find, but I really don't believe he knows or understands what ASA's function or mission statement or responsibility is.

But does anyone see the irony in the way he has turned the thread?

[shagpal]

Compliance is gained by enforcement. Controlling quality sometimes requires removing irregularities. Doing something makes sense, because doing nothing isn't helping matters. Leadership needs to come from the top down when leadership fails from the bottom up.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Seems to me you've created this role for ASA that you expect them to fulfill and then blame them for not fulfilling it. There is no such entity that has the amount of control you seem to expect them to have. It is not ASA's problem when some random umpire wears it's gear to non-ASA events - and expecting them to be able to police that is honestly quite foolish.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by shagpal

because doing nothing isn't helping matters.

There is nothing here that needs to be helped.

[shagpal]

Really?

OK, I'm coming from a different viewpoint then. If you see no problem, then if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I see it different tho.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

There is nothing here that needs to be helped.

[TexasUmp]

Wow! This has ranged widely. I have been a member of this forum for a long time, read it often, but have never posted before - so here goes nothing.
The first thing I ask my assigner is "WHAT UNIFORM FOR THIS EVENT?" I certainly wouldn't wear just anything I feel like. Doug

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by shagpal

Are you his guard or attack dog? You seem to arrive on cue every time. Mike seems well equipped to take care of himself.

Nothing personal, I was under the impression mike was high up the food chain in the ASA to do something about what he dislikes, that is all. He comes off as a person within with the authority. It only makes sense that he do something other than to complain.

If you can't answer my question, at least "give up the personals", as above.

[CajunNewBlue]

I cant believe I read all 5 pages of this.....

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The WCOS is purely ASA.

So now I'm confused. Sorry I didn't see this earlier in the discussion.

If this tournament is "purely ASA", why wouldn't the umpires wear ASA? And what is the tie-in with ISF? Is there some sort of agreement between the two organizations to conduct this thing? Why isn't the championship "purely ISF"?

[shagpal]

I just did, or I can ignore you.

Originally Posted by CecilOne

If you can't answer my question, at least "give up the personals", as above.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

So now I'm confused. Sorry I didn't see this earlier in the discussion.

If this tournament is "purely ASA", why wouldn't the umpires wear ASA? And what is the tie-in with ISF? Is there some sort of agreement between the two organizations to conduct this thing? Why isn't the championship "purely ISF"?

For the same reason the Canada Cup is purely Softball Canada, Japan Cup is purely the Japan Softball Assn. They are all sanctioned and played by ISF rules.