ASA Should Be Ashamed

[IRISHMAFIA]

ASA is the host of the WCOS. Since the onset, they have been emphasizing that this is INTERNATIONAL softball played under ISF rules.

Yet, there are umpires wearing ASA uniforms and equipment. If they cannot afford to properly equip the game officials, they shouldn't be running the tournament.

And I understand these are not all ASA-trained umpires, but some of the mechanics I've seen tonight are questionable.

JMHO

[okla21fan]

Actually Mike, this 'issue' occurred two years ago as well. Speaking with umpires who called the tournament, the problem is not ASA, but the ISF does not have enough inventory of 'logoed' gear for the crews.

In Canada last year, all the crews received 'proper' gear for both on and off the field, but for some reason, ISF does not do this for the World Cup games.

I would rather see them wear ASA uniforms, than 'blanks'

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

Actually Mike, this 'issue' occurred two years ago as well. Speaking with umpires who called the tournament, the problem is not ASA, but the ISF does not have enough inventory of 'logoed' gear for the crews.

In Canada last year, all the crews received 'proper' gear for both on and off the field, but for some reason, ISF does not do this for the World Cup games.

I would rather see them wear ASA uniforms, than 'blanks'

That is a load of shit, Phil. They told us the same thing when I worked in Plant City in 2002.

GMAFB, the shirts are sponsored by Mizuno. The shirt the 3B umpire was wearing tonight is the same style they were wearing 10 years ago.

It isn't like they have to provide hundreds of shirts, just enough for the crew they know they are going to have months in advance. This should be a no brainer for ASA, then again, we are talking about ASA putting out a few bucks for umpires. Oh yeah, never mind.

[okla21fan]

but who is 'they'? who is actually driving this bus?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

but who is 'they'? who is actually driving this bus?

The WCOS is purely ASA. Then again, you would think ISF would want to have their brand promoted on TV especially with the IOC vote approaching.

[shagpal]

Is your concern with marketing and branding? The connection to the ASA seems to be a liability.

To me, if the umpires call good games, have uniforms alike, fit, are clean and neat, doesn't matter if its back to elbeco and balloon.

If you want appeal on TV, model it like the NCAA does.

[KJUmp]

Two questions, as I know very little about the ins/outs of ISF umpiring...

1) I watched the US/Canada game on Thurs. night, the crew were wearing uniform shirts with what looked like an oval shaped patch on the left breast along with ISF hats. Were these a current ISF uniform shirt or a 'blast from the past'?

2) Included in the required qualifications umpires must meet to attain ISF certification, is there some sort of ISF mechanics component in the criteria? Training (clinic/camp) or evaluation/observation to assure that the umpire is proficient in proper ISF mechanics.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Two questions, as I know very little about the ins/outs of ISF umpiring...

1) I watched the US/Canada game on Thurs. night, the crew were wearing uniform shirts with what looked like an oval shaped patch on the left breast along with ISF hats. Were these a current ISF uniform shirt or a 'blast from the past'?

The emblem on the chest should have been the ISF shield. Mizuno used to embroider their name across the back of the shirt, highlighted in gold, but I believe those days are gone. Really, not even sure if Mizuno is still the manufacturer, but those were nice shirts.

2) Included in the required qualifications umpires must meet to attain ISF certification, is there some sort of ISF mechanics component in the criteria? Training (clinic/camp) or evaluation/observation to assure that the umpire is proficient in proper ISF mechanics.

Yes, but the problem is that all ISF umpires are not trained the same nor held to the same uniform standards which is why you will occasionally see an umpire without an all-black shoe. Each NGB is responsible for their umpires. Some are excellent while others, not so much. Obviously, the stronger the game is in a nation, the better the umpires. ISF does travel to hold clinics, but there is only so much you can do in some places.

[okla21fan]

Looks like someone is listening.....

[Jake26]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

Looks like someone is listening.....

But is that an "un-American" crew?

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by Jake26

But is that an "un-American" crew?

plate and U3 are from the DFW area

[EsqUmp]

Finally, something that Mike and I can agree on. I concur, ASA should be ashamed. ISF too.

[outathm]

After listening to my wife talk about 'branding' for many years now, I agree. ISF needs to make sure that any game, but especially a televised game has the proper and newest ISF logo prominently displayed anywhere they can get it placed. The easiest is to make sure that the Umpires, who are going to be on TV almost as much as, or more than some players are uniformed in ISF gear.

A game that will be watched by America on basic cable should not be worked by umpires in ASA uniforms.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by outathm

A game that will be watched by America on basic cable should not be worked by umpires in ASA uniforms.

Is that a slight on ASA umpires? Or is ASA not allowed to be on basic cable due to some contractual issue? I'm confused by your general comment here.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Is that a slight on ASA umpires? Or is ASA not allowed to be on basic cable due to some contractual issue? I'm confused by your general comment here.

Cannot answer for anyone else, but I would assume he meant that a tournament specific to sell international softball in the United States needs to be seen as an international game played under international rules and officiated by international umpires. It also offers the appearance, even though there is none in the case, of non-partisan officials indifferent to the countries represented.