Appeasment Does not work

[Andy]

When a coach asks me to go for help on a call, I will ask him/her why they are asking. If the response is "the fielder bobbled the ball" or "she pulled her foot off the base" or something similar that I did not see, I have no problem going to my partner.

If the response to my question is "I think they had a better angle" or "I want you to see what they had" the answer is no. My response is "Coach, it's my call, I saw everything I needed to see, the fact that you don't like or agree with my call is not a valid reason for me to go for help, we're playing ball now."

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Andy

When a coach asks me to go for help on a call, I will ask him/her why they are asking. If the response is "the fielder bobbled the ball" or "she pulled her foot off the base" or something similar that I did not see, I have no problem going to my partner.

If the response to my question is "I think they had a better angle" or "I want you to see what they had" the answer is no. My response is "Coach, it's my call, I saw everything I needed to see, the fact that you don't like or agree with my call is not a valid reason for me to go for help, we're playing ball now."

What they don't seem to understand on the "I think they had a better angle" nonsense is that if we have two umpires who saw the same event differently - the umpire who the call belongs to by default has the better angle and position - so you would defer to that umpire anyway... and since that's the guy who made the initial call, there's never reason to get help on "I think they had a better angle".

[AtlUmpSteve]

One of my favorite responses is "So, do you think the other umpire can have me unsee what I saw? Because, as long as I saw it, my call takes the priority!! Coach, I assure you if there was any doubt in my mind, anything that person can add that I didn't see, I would gladly give you the consideration. But, since there is nothing there that person can subtract from what I have already seen, we need to move on."

[Andy]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

What they don't seem to understand on the "I think they had a better angle" nonsense is that if we have two umpires who saw the same event differently - the umpire who the call belongs to by default has the better angle and position - so you would defer to that umpire anyway... and since that's the guy who made the initial call, there's never reason to get help on "I think they had a better angle".

Story from this past weekend....

ASA tournament, I am BU. R1 on second, 1 out.
Batter hits a blooper near second base, no fielder can get to it before it lands, I'm anticipating a play to first when R1 decides to take off for third. I have taken a step in toward the infield when F4 retrieves the ball and throws to third. I move parallel with the base line, don't have the perfect angle, but see that the runner slides in to third before the tag, I look to see my PU partner coming up the line, hesitate to see if she has a call, then call the runner safe as PU looks at me and says...oops, your call. Defensive coach now requests time and comes to talk to me. Here is the conversation:

Coach: Can you check with your partner to see if she had a different angle?
Me: I know she had a different angle, coach.
Coach: I want you to ask her if she had a different angle.
Me: I don't need to ask her, coach. I know that she had a different angle.

He then has this deer in the headlights look and walks back to his dugout.

It is later reported to me by the TD (who is also our state commissioner) that I told the coach that I was out of position, but refused to go for help.....

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Andy

Story from this past weekend....

(snip)
Coach: Can you check with your partner to see if she had a different angle?
Me: I know she had a different angle, coach.
Coach: I want you to ask her if she had a different angle.
Me: I don't need to ask her, coach. I know that she had a different angle.

(snip)

:

ROFLMAO
There's one to remember..

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Andy

Story from this past weekend....

ASA tournament, I am BU. R1 on second, 1 out.
Batter hits a blooper near second base, no fielder can get to it before it lands, I'm anticipating a play to first when R1 decides to take off for third. I have taken a step in toward the infield when F4 retrieves the ball and throws to third. I move parallel with the base line, don't have the perfect angle, but see that the runner slides in to third before the tag, I look to see my PU partner coming up the line, hesitate to see if she has a call, then call the runner safe as PU looks at me and says...oops, your call. Defensive coach now requests time and comes to talk to me. Here is the conversation:

Coach: Can you check with your partner to see if she had a different angle?
Me: I know she had a different angle, coach.
Coach: I want you to ask her if she had a different angle.
Me: I don't need to ask her, coach. I know that she had a different angle.

He then has this deer in the headlights look and walks back to his dugout.

It is later reported to me by the TD (who is also our state commissioner) that I told the coach that I was out of position, but refused to go for help.....

I was laughing already when I got to the last paragraph! Oh my goodness!

Thank you for sharing that story.

Rita

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Andy

Story from this past weekend....

Defensive coach now requests time and comes to talk to me. Here is the conversation:

Coach: Can you check with your partner to see if she had a different angle?
Me: I know she had a different angle, coach.
Coach: I want you to ask her if she had a different angle.
Me: I don't need to ask her, coach. I know that she had a different angle.

He then has this deer in the headlights look and walks back to his dugout.

Not fair.........he made it too easy for you Andy!
Great story.

[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by andy

story from this past weekend....

Asa tournament, i am bu. R1 on second, 1 out.
Batter hits a blooper near second base, no fielder can get to it before it lands, i'm anticipating a play to first when r1 decides to take off for third. I have taken a step in toward the infield when f4 retrieves the ball and throws to third. I move parallel with the base line, don't have the perfect angle, but see that the runner slides in to third before the tag, i look to see my pu partner coming up the line, hesitate to see if she has a call, then call the runner safe as pu looks at me and says...oops, your call. Defensive coach now requests time and comes to talk to me. Here is the conversation:

Coach: Can you check with your partner to see if she had a different angle?
Me: I know she had a different angle, coach.
Coach: I want you to ask her if she had a different angle.
Me: I don't need to ask her, coach. I know that she had a different angle.

He then has this deer in the headlights look and walks back to his dugout.

It is later reported to me by the td (who is also our state commissioner) that i told the coach that i was out of position, but refused to go for help.....

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